Monday, June 15, 2015

Aviation Curator Verses 9/11 Fuselage Conspiracy

While you are having a nice day I am trying to get answers about 9/11 .. Take a look at the avoiding and this happens if you ask about the 9/11 Earthquakes too.  Those emails are all contained in this blog of unanswered emails and avoidance.. He does make little mistakes saying the part is white and saying the white area is the surface skin which means it's not any of the aircraft colors of flight 11 or flight 77. He avoids eye witnesses who say they read "American Eagle" right off the side of the plane too.. Let the avoidance begin!

Dear Eric Boehm, 

Aviation Curator
Intrepid Sea, Air, & Space Museum
One Intrepid Square
West 46th St and 12th Ave
New York, NY 10036

Question #1
    Have you ever seen the polished chrome color of Flight 11? or any solid identification marks on display anyplace in the world? 

 Reply 

Yes, here is a shot of the exact airplane a few months before it was used as a terror weapon:


Same  Question #2

Eric, 

 You have not answered the main question. Have you seen the polished unpainted fuselage of flight 11 or any of the giant red AA which was on the tail section? 

Reply,

I have attempted to answer your question and even included a photo of the unpainted airplane that was used on flight 11. I don't know how I can be more clear.
The new set of photos you have sent once again point to the tail. The other image is showing the tail of a completely different airplane(??), of the type that was not used in the attack.

Do some research on 767 construction, you may find out that the tail fin (and many parts on the wing) are of composite construction and thus must be painted a light gray base coat to blend better with the rest of the unpainted airplane.


I have to admit that I just do not see the point you are trying to make. These theories have been debunked years ago.


Frankly, I just do not have the time to spend on this dead end subject.

Same Question #3
Eric,

 Have you seen any identifying
 marking of flight 11 or any of the planes defined on 9/11 on display at any museum? Why would think I was looking for a photo on the internet?Why can't you say "American Airlines"?? or as one witness said "American Eagle"?




Do you have a photograph of the other side of this Fuselage? 




Hello Dan,
When was that photo taken?
Sorry, we do not have any photos of that part. I believe it was removed from our collection in 2006.

Eric B.
Aviation Curator
Intrepid Sea, Air, & Space Museum
One Intrepid Square
West 46th St and 12th Ave
New York, NY 10036
Hello Eric, 


  Elizabeth Greenspan's "Battle for Ground Zero" talked about a new study on the 9/11 meteorites.. Do you know any details about the study or can you ask around? I would like to know if the study was private or public.. I would assume its private because this takes the place of criminal investigation. Do you happen to why the museum would be studying the 9/11 meteorites if the assumed cause of the 9/11 meteorites was that they were made via compression. Isn't assumptions good enough?  




Eric B. e@intrepidmuseum.org

1:09 PM (5 hours ago)
to me
I know nothing about this. Is she referring to the Intrepid Museum conducting research?
I can assure you, we do not have, and never had, the staff expertise nor the funding to do any research of this type. Why would we if we could?

We have never had “scientists” at our museum either.

Personally, I do not see anything worthy of further studying here. I spent 20 years in the USAF and saw my share of crash sites. Fused chunks of metal, dirt  and airplane parts are a normal occurrence. No mysteries here….unless a subject component is stuck inside.

Best regards,





Eric B.

Aviation Curator

Intrepid Sea, Air, & Space Museum

One Intrepid Square


Dan Plesse dan.plesse@gmail.com

3:52 PM (2 hours ago)
to Eric
Eric,

She referring to the 9/11 Memorial Museum..Emails from others said they were thinking about a study however the topic was dropped...assumed to be dropped.. I informed them that it was not dropped and I am not sure if they are interested in tracking down the study....  I am not sure if they would share results with you anyway.. It sounds like a private study by professionals.. I wouldn't dare ask or think about asking for details because you could risk your job.. The firefighters who reported finding the black boxes for the F.B.I were under investigation.. and the NYPD Air and Sea Rescue units will never publish photographs of the second plane  nor will ever reply to emails. Its assumed that they didn't take photographs or video even though they had no other task on 9/11 and I don't fault them for their silence.. You can ask around to test my theory yourself.....

      The NYPD 9/11 Museum has one Ground Zero composite which shows it fused with WTC 6 weapons and  they said the samething.. No scientists” at our museum etc.. No study of any kind and all signs regarding the composites have been removed.. All details of the discovery of all composites and their contents will remain unknown..via emails.. I get same results from USGS.  All seismic details kept in catalogs about 9/11 will remain unknown..  Public details will remain limited..

No early photographs of the identification side of fuselage has been located by anyone so far and current photographs of the same parts look rusted..I don't think someone would go as far as to deface the surface of the fuselage, do you?  In the past this same fuselage identification alternated  between two aircraft, is this normal? Its interesting that the 9/11 Traveling Museum printed up two signs to begin with.. and both signs referred to fuselage..

Do aircraft fuselage turn rusted color overtime? Maybe they painted over the parts for  protection? That's why I am asking for early photographs for the  identification side of fuselage ..  Like the other topics above -- its the same old brick wall..

 I wonder if someone has seen the other side in those early days before the rust.
  • Promisio Nonest Softwarius There's lots of newspapers and otherwise that directly quote the museum's alleged mention of . . . "Though the composites had been tested and showed no evidence of human remains, debate ensued." . . . I can't actually find NY newspapers speaking to the temperature associated with testing nor links to any testing at all however. I can't even find the museum speaking to remains at all save the repository releases and the results of "Matthew David Yarnell's" remains being determined. Maybe you can find some cache. I can't
  • Promisio Nonest Softwarius A general tailored google search yields even less.

Eric B. e@intrepidmuseum.org

4:19 PM (2 hours ago)
to me
The airplanes that crashed into the Twin Towers were aluminum and so the structure does not ‘rust’. Aluminum ‘corrode’ and is evidenced by a whitish powder. Steel and iron rust and it’s the iron content that makes rust reddish. For corrosion control purposes airplane structural parts go through a process chemical conditioning called anodizing. This may or may not change the color of the aluminum. Airplanes then get a very complete interior primer coating of paint called zinc chromate or zinc oxide. These primers are generally light green to dark green in color. Exterior finish is the same in most cases, anodized, primed with a very light color primer (so as not to effect the top coats color), and then top coat.

Many airlines maintain an unpainted exterior (except for stripes and company logos) to save weight. Paint can get heavy, reducing the load carrying capacity of the airplane and increasing fuel usage.
American Airlines livery at that time for 767  (flight 11)was just that. There would be a blue stripe at the level of  passenger windows, white below that, red below the white. Other than the word AMERICAN on the forward fuselage and AA on the tail, the airplane was unpainted aluminum.
If the scattered parts where subjected to heat or flame it is likely that all the paint burned off rather quickly anyway, leaving the surface scorched and sooty. Otherwise, it should look clean, green on the inside, and clean aluminum or appropriately painted on the exterior.

Are you touting a conspiracy theory of some sort?



Eric B.

Aviation Curator

Intrepid Sea, Air, & Space Museum


Dan Plesse dan.plesse@gmail.com

6:29 PM (7 minutes ago)
to Eric
Eric,

I think you skipped over my entire email.. anyway I added visual aids.. Middle photo is later
 .. The photo with green primer is earlier.. 
  I know about the issues you discussed.. However the current state of fuselage looks like something happened to it after one of the handoff between museums... 





Does this look like normal wing tip to you?  







 photographs with  the NTSB.. Did you receive these parts?  






The NTSB is also not helpful.. I asked them about the orange bags.. Black Boxes and its 
talk to F.B.I..

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