Writ of Mandamus on 9/11 explosives

NFPA 921 Guide to Fire and Explosion Investigation

Whether you’re a fire marshal or insurance adjustor or an investigator from NIST; the NFPA 921 Guide to Fire and Explosion Investigation sets the bar for scientific-based investigation and analysis of fire and explosion incidents. Referenced in the field, in training, and in court, it is the foremost guide for rendering accurate opinions as to incident origin, cause, responsibility, and prevention. It is intended for use by both public sector employees who are responsible for fire investigation and private sector professionals who conduct investigations for insurance companies or litigation purposes.

Fire and Explosions

Most fires have explosions. Explosions are fire, a rapidly expanding fire. Stores of volatile materials, fuel and gas lines and storage tanks, electrical junctions, and dust can all explode at high temperatures. When NIST investigated the fires and collapses of the three WTC buildings, the NFPA 921 Guide should have formed the base of the investigation. Therefore NIST should have investigated for fire and explosions, not one or the other or just fire. It was capricious, unprofessional, and unscientific for the NIST investigators to omit explosions from their investigation.

NIST claims that there was no evidence to suggest they investigate for explosions but that is a tricky lie. A lie that many debunkers and those ignorant of the reality of fires and explosions love to parrot. Claims that there need to be witnesses testifying they heard explosions is just plain nonsense. Here’s what the NFPA 921 Guide has to say;

21.1.4 Although an explosion is almost always accompanied by the production of a loud noise, the noise itself is not an essential element in the definition of an explosion. The generation and violent escape of gases are the primary criteria of an explosion.

How are investigators to know if there was a violent escape of gases? Well, structural damage is a clue. Regarding structural damage from an explosion, the NFPA 921 Guide breaks the damage into two categories, high order and low order;

21.3.1 Low­Order Damage. Low­order damage is characterized by walls bulged out or laid down, virtually intact, next to the structure. Roofs may be lifted slightly and returned to their approximate original position. Windows may be dislodged, sometimes without glass being broken. Debris produced is generally large and is thrown short distances. Low­order damage is produced by slow rates of pressure rise.

21.3.2* High­Order Damage. High­order damage is characterized by shattering of the structure, producing small, pulverized debris. Walls, roofs, and structural members are splintered or shattered, with the building completely demolished. Debris is thrown great distances, possibly hundreds of feet. High­order damage is the result of rapid rates of pressure rise.

I would say that all three WTC towers that collapsed had HighOrder Damage. According to the foremost scientific experts regarding fire and explosion investigation; that HighOrder Damage was likely caused by an explosion. I did not say explosives. I said explosion. The fact that the NIST’s site has a page or ten regarding nano-thermite and why it did not investigate for nano-thermite is a silly tangent; it doesn’t matter. NIST should have investigated for explosions which it did not; there was no need to focus on one possible cause, a high-tech military grade incendiary. Just explosions, which can have many and varied causes.

Dan Plesse

18h ago · 1 upvote from Dug McDowell

btw the appendix C follow up has not been released and long forgotten..

Appendix C FEMA Sisson, (follow up)

Richard D <sisson@wpi.edu>

"Sorry, I have no more information on this topic."

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Dug M.

17h ago

 Thank you. It isn’t that I don’t like videos I am just not interested in proving people heard explosions. Of course they did. As a New Yorker who watched the Towers fall from the street. I’m more than aware of explosions. Though it’s anecdotal, hearsay, here’s my experience with explosions on 9/11.

After the Towers fell. After I called my family to say I was okay. After I’d watched enough news. Around 2:30 or 3:00 in the afternoon a friend called and told me to come over and I accepted. He had just moved to a great building that had had a view of the WTC a safe distance away. Of course by then it was a view of a southeasterly arcing column of smoke shrouded in dust. Anyway it wasn’t a long walk, about the only mode of transport, and I arrived at his place around 4:pm. My walk over was surreal. The city was quiet but the sidewalks and bridges were fairly crowded with folks. Everyone was calm and somber no one was hysterical, not even folks so covered in dust they looked like statues, as a New Yorker I wasn’t surprised by my fellows but it was impressive. When I got to my friend’s place all that changed. As I entered his new building’s spacious modern lobby, I was shocked to hear a woman screaming hysterically at the concierge. Here’s what she was screaming.

What is wrong with everybody? Why is everyone so calm? My husband’s a cop and he’s been down there all day. He says there are bombs everywhere. He says things have been blowing up all day. He’s certain this isn’t over yet. He says it’s just the start.

The concierge was noticeably uncomfortable but letting her vent. I was freaked out a bit because she wasn’t crazy but scared. And then my friend came out of the elevator. He walked up to the woman and he embraced her and she started sobbing. He waved me over and he introduced me to his sister. We three went up to his apartment and his sister was given a drink settled a bit. And more calmly she explained that her husband was a cop. He had been at WTC since before the planes hit responding to possible explosions in the building. That she hadn’t heard from him until afternoon we he called and told her to go to her brother’s place where he’d pick her up when he got off duty. And then she started on again about her husband saying there were bombs everywhere going off all day. We turned on the TV and watched in silence. Ordered food. Then near midnight her husband and another cop showed up, friend or partner not sure, but they’d been at and around WTC all day. What they told us.

• That they were called to WTC before the planes hit because someone called about an explosion. That when they arrived the entire lobby (they didn’t say or I don’t remember if it was the North or South Tower) but the lobby was destroyed. All the windows shattered.
• They initially thought the lobby had been bombed but were told that the explosion occurred in the basement levels. By that time FDNY had arrived so they didn’t go down but the firefighters said it was chaos in the basement and injured and dead folk.
• They said that they began to turn people away from entering the building and pushing those coming out to leave immediately.
• When the first plane hit they said it was like nothing they’d ever heard. A bang and a reverberation down the building.
• They then moved to getting people away from the buildings. And at this time they started hearing smaller explosions.
• By the time the first tower fell they had the are cleared for at least a block from WTC. They said that when the building started coming down they stopped being New York’s finest and like everyone else just ran for their lives. Within a minute they were engulfed in dust and were essentially blind as they continued to run.
• It wasn’t til they were ten blocks away that they could start to see but the air was still thick with dust.
• Resuming their roles as cops and herding people away they kept getting the shit scared out of them by explosions that seemed to come from everywhere.
• They were at a safer distance when the second tower came down but everyone still ran.
• For a couple hours after they continued hearing explosions. And that’s when he called his wife to go to her brother’s place.

Since these guys hadn’t seen the news we went back to watching the TV while they ate. They were interested to see the Pentagon and were confused how different the situation was from WTC. They couldn’t believe that there wasn’t more destruction. We hung out and watched the news til almost dawn. The entire time we watched the news they kept anticipating a report on the explosions. There were none. They insisted we watch something local because they figured there’d have to be something about the bombs. Of course there wasn’t. I kind of hate to admit it now but I started thinking these guys were obsessed. Their whole story centered on bombs and explosions and there was no mention, or little we saw regarding explosions. I began to think that their narrow escape from the first tower shell shocked them to thinking they heard explosions. Of course now in hindsight they weren’t rookies. They’d been around and they’d been at Ground Zero for 16 hours and their agitation about the news saying nothing about the explosions actually reinforces their claims.

Like I said it’s anecdotal and it’s hearsay, but 9/11 was about explosions from that day, 17 years ago tomorrow, and today makes more sense than ever. And that’s all I got on the topic. Cheers.

Dan Plesse

21m ago

Great story. I never heard of any of this before AMAZING! And chances are I had no chance learning about it, period. Sad.

Luciano Guerriero NYPD said all investigations were all blocked by the mayor. His story starts at 7:35 minute mark! He does his own investigation and he should publish it. Maybe you can talk with him.

Here is list of NIST Contractors Judy Wood Named as contractors who I believe did the investigation for NIST. UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES generated a whistleblower named Kevin Ryan.. I am not sure how she found out who did the work and which function they preformed, but she did.

APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC. (ARA),

SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORP.(SAIC),

UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES, INC.,

WISS, JANNEY, ELSTNER ASSOCIATES, INC. (WJE),

ROLF JENSEN & ASSOCIATES, INC.(RJA),

COMPUTER AIDED ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES, INC.,

SIMPSON GUMPERTZ & HEGER, INC. (SGH),

SKIDMORE, OWINGS & MERRILL, LLP (SOM),

GILSANZ MURRAY STEFICEK LLP (GMS),

HUGHES ASSOCIATES, INC. (HA),

ROSENWASSER/GROSSMAN CONSULTING ENGINEERS, P.C.

S. K. GHOSH ASSOCIATES, INC. (GA),

TENG & ASSOCIATES, INC. (TA),

AJMAL ABBASI,

EDUARDO KAUSEL,

DAVID PARKS,

DAVID SHARP,

JOSEF VAN DYCK,

KASPAR WILLIAM,

DANIELE VENEZANO,

DATASOURCE, INC.,

GEOSTAATS, INC.,

NuSTATS,

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Dan Plesse

When Scott Schrimpe of the FDNY said he broke off solidified molten steel off the World Trade Center box columns, he could only assume  it was jet fuel because that is what he was told it could be.

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columns looking like "debunked" clean up columns

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Richard Law

21h ago

You will have to do better than that to prove your assertians.

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Dan Plesse

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Scott Schrimpe most likely entered the basements levels on the night of 9/11 (the night of thermite explosions)

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Corey Virgil

22m ago

Well, aside from the fact that nothing he says is reasonable, I guess he saw what he saw.

Metal melts when it gets hot. Hell, last night I threw a beer can into the fire and the aluminum didn’t just melt, it actually burned and turned to ash.
(WTC box core column is not a beer can, those core columns can't be melted period by normal means. )  

So forgive me if some molten metal in the middle of a massive fire doesn’t really get my spidey senses tingling….( Clearly Scott Schrimpe assumed "jet fuel" because no "middle of a massive fire"  existed. The Location was  6 floors below in the basement he found molten steel. .. 

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Dan Plesse

8m ago

“Well, aside from the fact that nothing he says is reasonable”

He is not just saying, he is showing the object. Did you watch the video of him showing the molten object to the public?

The only bullshit is you avoiding the issues. I hope you know he got it on video.

Corey Virgil

11m ago

Ok, fine, whatever. Some metal melted when it got really hot.

So fucking what?

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Dan Plesse

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“So forgive me if some molten metal in the middle of a massive fire doesn’t really get my spidey senses tingling….”

Clearly Scott Schrimpe assumed "jet fuel" because no "middle of a massive fire" existed. The location was 6 floors below in the basement levels he found molten steel. ..

“Some metal melted when it got really hot.”
He sees the source of the metal. So its NOT Some metal. He sees and films and shows the public WTC Core box column steel..

Why is this so hard for you? Every sentence and assumption is wrong. What is up with that? 

Corey Virgil

4m ago

No, mumbling is just a way of saying he was babbling meaningless nonsense.

Sure, he was there. That doesn’t make him intelligent. That doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about.

And it sure as fuck doesn’t make him a metallurgist.

The video is meaningless nonsense.

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Dan Plesse

1m ago

mumbling and babbling means you are not listening or can’t process the information.

He said
“one section of box beam six floor down was melted like stalagmites” like the New York time reported.

stalagmites formed by dripping metal https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/15/nyregion/a-nation-challenged-the-site-below-rubble-a-tour-of-a-still-burning-hell.html

Are you getting this?

Corey Virgil

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Yes. I did hear him say that. But the fact remains, so fucking what?

I’m done with this conversation. You’re arguing points that have been disproven over and over again for more than a decade now. It was somewhat entertaining at first, but at this point you’re just boring me.

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Dan Plesse

1m ago

“But the fact remains, so fucking what?” Keep reading and watching until all the points sink in. The points are not sinking in. He sees the location of the start of the molten steel which NEW YORK TIMES also reports. That is the point. The location, six floors down, not near any known fire. end of story. sink it in.

Dan Plesse, Ph D Sociology, State University of New York (1996)

Answered 7m ago

Explosives need to be said. file a Writ of Mandamus on 9/11 explosives

Number of families who got no remains: 1,717
Total number killed in attacks in New York: 2,75362% percent Missing in 2002 that number is going down but

Those 62% were blown all over city, 3,000 feet in all directions in some cases. So 62% were NOT killed by any other means but explosives. So the murder weapon was explosives and only explosives.

stalagmites formed by dripping metal

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/15/nyregion/a-nation-challenged-the-site-below-rubble-a-tour-of-a-still-burning-hell.html

9/11 Fire Strengthens Structural (WTC) Steel by 35% 

4,000 degrees
http://www.sonicmemorial.org/public/freshkills/audio/forninomelting.mp3

So what normally happens is "Moderators" just deleted everything. A good example below. 

If jet fuel can't melt steel beams, then why did the World Trade Center collapse?

Mr. Fletcher’s graph is quite telling. Ignore the irrelevant noodles (copper, cast iron) and look at the green line (structural steel)

Dan Plesse

10h ago

World Trade Center Building 7 Evaluation Introduction

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Dan Plesse

3m ago

Peer review and publishing is a voluntary action. If a scientific or engineering organization wants money in the future they can’t Peer review or publish against the people who might fund them. Everyone knows this. It is basic 101 of peer review and publishing. Then they have dupes report their lack of interests as evidence that no criminal activities took place on 9/11 then process feeds on itself. To break this cycle you have use money.. Who has this kind of money at a scale large enough to undo the fear of global criminals? Well, “AE 9/11 for Truth” has the money. Reputable scientific or engineering organization don’t fight against criminals and they just collect money. They are just funding houses. “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” is a test case which proves the scientific and engineering organizations have been hijacked by money over truth and therefore worthless. You can’t even cite the title of “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” in your post because you want cover up the paper and feed the criminals.

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At 250 C (the maximum temperature reported in NIST’s findings for core steel) structural steel is actually at 135% of its room temperature strength! Mr. Fletcher’s evidence is that the fire did not weaken the steel — in fact it strengthened it by 35%!

Dan Plesse, Ph D Sociology, State University of New York (1996)

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Your answer to this question has been deleted by Quora Moderation.

Answer is Jet Fuel can’t do anything.

1. Scott Schrimpe has a Molten Sample and its on display.
   
   2. GEB Guide Dog Salty and Omar Rivera: reported a synchronized series of explosions immediately prior to the collapse.

Colin MacFarlane

16h ago

My last comment on this. I have no theory. The fire energy and temperatures were high enough to collapse the building. That can be taken as fact. Given that, you have to look for extraordinary evidence to sustain any other extraordinary theories. I have no problem whatever with the temperatures in local areas of the WTC buldings and debris being in excess of 1500 deg C given the fuel mix available, the containment possible and the air drafts that could exist. It is entirely possible that steel could melt in pockets. Aluminium would certainly melt in the temperatures existing within the fire. Could other reactions occur causing high temperatures? Yes, they could, but I have seen no solid evidence for anything. You believe what you want to believe.

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Dan Plesse

13m ago

What you do is deny ALL extraordinary things therefore you don’t require extraordinary evidence or any evidence even while the evidence is everywhere.

FBI 4,000 degrees (can’t be jet down the street)
http://www.sonicmemorial.org/pub...

Photos of an explosion
New photo by 911Truth “911TruthNow1” Now

It is not “extraordinary ” to believe the news that day, which reported explosions that were large enough to not be anything but work being done to bring down the buildings. The extraordinary temperatures reported by people in “9 11 Survivor Shares His Stories and Ground Zero Artifacts” or the FBI sonicmemorial in just  A FEW  clear exampleS which says the towers were cut BEFORE or remotely DURING 9/11.. What you do is cover up your eyes and ears. The facts still remain and no office supplies / jet fuel will never come close soften those core columns or any materials. No video by an individual shows Jet Fuel doing anything in soon to be 18 years after 9/11 . You can’t even write the word column down.. Do you really believe those core column softened by office supplies? I don’t think you know what those column require. The core columns already were in fires and were already blown up and nothing happened. A ton of pre-cutting and explosives did the job. That is what Scott Schrimpe, FDNY found and that what the news reported that day.

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Brent Blanchard Implosion World 9/11 quote
9/11 events "Relates more to military explosive demolition than to 
building implosions, which specifically involve the placement of 
charges at key points within a structure to precipitate the failure 
of steel or concrete supports within their own footprint. The other 
primary difference between these two types of operations is that 
implosions are universally conducted with the utmost concern for 
adjacent properties and human safety---elements that were horrifically 
absent from this event."

Charles Fletcher

4h ago

Yet oddly none were recorded on videos. Besides, what do you think a collapsing building sounds like?

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Dan Plesse

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911 Eyewitness Documentary has all the explosion sounds you will ever need.

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FEMA photographs show cut columns at WTC building 7

All the questions have been answered by people on the ground.

The truth movement did an absolute terrible job. Firefighter’s were displaying their molten examples on display tables and not a single “Truther” knows anything about it. If the Truth people didn’t know, then what about the rest of world? Answer is zero people know anything about 9/11.. They did a bad job (9/11 Truth) then and they are doing just as badly a job today.

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Dan Plesse

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“ no theory that states jet fuel melted steel anything “ This is true. BUT the evidence collected by firefighters, displays at museums and video recordings ALL state this did happen.

So that is were The sarcastic theory of “Can Jet Fuel Melt Steel beams” The answer is NO and then the issue is why does all the evidence point in the direction and how to avoids the tough issues.

The question then becomes: Why does everyone not get the sarcasm? The reason is because the evidence does fit any theory but the 9/11 Truth Movement theory and if you can't agree with that you must begin deny what is plan to eye. 

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Dan Plesse

25m ago

"This is not normal demolition steel scrap," said Anantha Padmanabhan, executive director of Greenpeace India. "Just look at the circumstances in which the twin towers came down. High- temperature incineration with jet fuel has taken place. This is incineration steel"

Where Did IT GO? Ask The Mob not Dr. Judy Wood

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Charles Fletcher

21m ago

Of course it burned before collapsing.

Who claims anything else other than conspiracy mythologists who repeatedly downplay the fires on 9/11?

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Dan Plesse

14m ago

No one said just burn. If you can read .

High- temperature incineration was never apart of any NIST investigation. Iron melts at 1538 °C and turns into a gas at 2862 °C

Gerry Fornino  FBI Bomb quoted temps of 4,000 degrees

http://www.sonicmemorial.org/pub...

Gerry Fornino  FBI Bomb quoted temps of 4,000 degrees which get into nuke type weapons. 

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Charles Fletcher

2m ago

Source: Temperature and Strength of Metals

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Dan Plesse

1m ago

It says that inside the range of 100–300 degrees C Twin Towers got stronger . You also don’t know what “ incineration” means . incineration causes the metal to oxidize and rust, basically transform to powder. Then you can’t read a graph. What other things can’t you do?

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