Wednesday, September 30, 2015

Plane Witness Challenge 9/11 Oral Histories

  • Ted Is this just a disagreement about what the fire battalion chief said in his statement?

    • Daniel M. Plesse Its about 7060 pages of witnesses.. The only witness he sights I have defined as a mistake and not a witness, making his total witness from ONE to ZERO.. This is a large document and we could be both wrong however people are too lazy to double check or can't read at all..

    • Joe Haley well I honestly don't see fetzer's mistake since both he and the witness identified a UA plane.

      • Daniel M. Plesse Joe Haley Person A was talking with person B who attempted to correct Person A who said it was military plane..

Daniel M. Plesse Bob Byron I also asked them to support their plane theory inside a very large document called 9/11 Oral Histories or supply a video of someone talking about plane #1 or Plane #2 and I got zero valid replies.. Bob Sagat actually told Jeff Harr that one of his witnesses was faulty, however he would not confess this issue directly with me.. 

Some Truthers actually believe the "debunkers" have support someplace.. What I am trying to do is show no support exist at any level.. I believe you, Will and Joe accepted OT at some level.. For that reason alone I am at odds with the few people here which should agree with my position.. The division is welcomed by the other side by the way..
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Don't be like James Henry Fetzer​ and be mistaken.

9/11 Oral Histories was about the people who were in NYC when it happened.. I am reporting that not a single page of 7060 of witnesses report supports
seeing Flight 11 or Flight 175 ..

I found two people who spoke about plane #2 in oral histories, however the first one spoke about a military plane first and the other gave the flight number and did not describe the plane directly from the Brooklyn Bridge.

These are sum total of witnesses which I found:

Brian who says "it did not shine in the sun like a normal plane.. "

O'Flaherty, Brian (pdf file) Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.) 1/9/02
Darnowski, Kevin (pdf file) Paramedic (E.M.S.) 11/9/01

Use this Document to search all histories:

7060 Oral History Joined PDF
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0pxVbXyB9OLcG13X0xNR3JuVHc/view?usp=sharing

The Challenge, like before is to find a witness who support the official account of 9/11 but describing either Flight 11 or Flight 175 in detail using the colors for example of those flights.. Simply seeing "Planes" does not count and will be seen as spam..

Rules: only quotes from 9/11 Oral Histories. All other responses should be deleted.. Thanks

   
Philip Joy
October 1 at 3:12pm
Stick with this story Daniel M. Plesse looks like a good one!

The Sept. 11 Records
A rich vein of city records from Sept. 11, including more than 12,000 pages of oral histories rendered in the voices of 503 firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians, were made public on Aug. 12. The New York Times has published all of them.

  • Bill Paisley Standard Truther procedures. Take any anomaly, however small, however minuscule, however insignificant and blow it up into some Huge Big Gargantuan Red Flag of intentional malfeasance or evil doings. People make mistakes. Propellers? Small lear jet? frown emoticon
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  • Joe Haley It was wile e coyote.
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  • Daniel M. Plesse Bill Paisley If you read the OP and all the replies you can see NO ONE which includes YOU can show " to the overwhelming numbers of people who saw a 767 in the company colors " inside a 7060 page document or inside thousands of hours of 9/11 videos.. 

    "Propellers? Small lear jet?" is a idiotic strawman.. TWO DIFFERENT planes Bill Paisley.. not one.. The NYPD sea and air rescue was the closest and guess what: No photographs..No videos.. Ask them.. 

    You talk in large generalized and conflated terms using idiotic strawmen as a defense.. Which proves my case exactly! Once again you failed to prove your case .. and you have admins deleting my comments to help you and you still refused to answer the challenge... BIG Fail.
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James Henry Fetzer Response so far 


    • James Henry Fetzer It was my recollection that as many witnesses had reported seeing a United Airlines plane hit the South Tower as had reported seeing a missile fired from the Woolworth Building hit the North: ONE! But even if my memory were mistaken, what's making a federal offense out of it?
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Strange comment

CHIEF JOSEPH PFEIFER 9/11 Oral history  said this
" somewhat of a hole, from our position, certainly, maybe three or four of the stories, three stories I think I said. Again, there was no fire coming out. So, when we got there, there was no fire and on the west side there was no smoke. But there was an obvious hole in the building. "

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110138.PDF

Yikes Fake 9/11 Photo (maybe)!
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=8e913c88d209ba525fe744a2747881ae55d815da.720145

9/11 Forum
http://line2016.freeforums.net/board/16/investigating-9-11-2001

Result #1
  • Kathleen Feeney Yes, I have been reading .. this is very disturbing to me. I often observed commercial aircraft at low altitude on a clear day landing and taking off from Newark Airport. I can tell you that it there is no mistaking a commercial aircraft in this area on a clear day .. even when busy or driving .. the airline markings can be seen clearly .. this is very odd that there were no clear observations and even the shape of the aircraft is uncertain..why??
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Result #2 'No Planer' Witness


2 minutes ago

I was an eyewitness (along with 3 engineering colleagues) to the WTC from an open window on the 20th floor of The Riverside Church beginning just after the explosion in the North Tower. We had a clear view of both towers 1 & 2 from about their 20th floors and up to the top from our vantage, though the North Tower appeared to overlap the South Tower about 45%. All four of us had our eyes transfixed on WTC 1 & 2. We saw the explosion in the South Tower. However, not one of us saw an airplane. From our perch, and airplane would have appeared huge in the sky, no matter what angle it was alleged to have approached the South Tower. We watched the South Tower turn to dust in 10 seconds. After that, the Church was evacuated, being one of the tallest building due North of WTC. Even though I knew it was impossible for a plane to bring down one of the strongest buildings ever constructed, I still "bought" the official version of the 911 events for far too long. A few years after 911, I was watching a news clip of Bill Clinton giving a speech. He was being confronted by a heckler shouting "911 was an inside job." Clinton stopped, and, instead of simply saying, "No, it was not," or "no, you're wrong," he said in a nasty and unctuous and patronizing tone, "How dare you!" I knew right then the official version of 911 was a complete lie... With best wishes, Peter
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Result #3

Ray Ubinger 'No Planer'

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7 mutual friends including Austin Thomas and Jana Karásková
March 8th, 4:52pm

I think the 10 ft alien is another thing like
http://tinyurl.com/fallingwhatzit


June 2nd, 10:32pm

Need favor, please tag Rory into the Rory thread. Thanks.
June 3rd, 3:35pm
hmmm I will try..

Got it, nevermind, thx anyway
June 7th, 10:48pm

Favor please, tag Karen into my thread just now, if no one has done so yet.
Karen Howard?

No, Karen Denise Arnold. In my group s11 truth. I can't tag when I create the post, at least not from my phone.
I posted again with Karen Denise.. under your post..

I see, thank you. I took the liberty of deleting your tag of the incorrect person.
that's fine haha


I think i am block by Larry Mallette .. I wonder why..
55 minutes ago

I have unblocked you in order to ask you to please leave my group. To me and a number of others communicating with me privately your style is tedious and distractive. Thank you.
Why don't you read my current post and think for yourself?


oral histories 7060 pages.pdf
drive.google.com

I read them all. As admin I could see you even though I had you blocked. By sheer quantity you are boor, and bore. Like 30 posts last month while the second place person made like 5. Will you please leave now?
Not until you understand my last post..

I understand it. Now leave, please.


Tell me what is says in detail..

Because you won't believe I'm tired of you until you make me specify just how tired I am?
No just read and understand one post..
Hello?

You're stalling. I already told you I've read them all. That's what makes me tired of you. Now please say goodbye instead of hello.
You didn't read it.. Please read it

Once was enough. Please stop badgering your polite host with your unwelcome communications anymore.
You messaged me..
No you are not polite

Because you are spamming my group and I'm not the only one whose patience is gone.
Spamming? I doing research and posting my results..
None of your member have done that -- ZERO!

Hit and run, all over the place, derogatory, almost every day, very little active input from your mind, mostly linkig and meming, yawwwwn.

Your alleged research is always boldly inconclusive.
For example?

The majority of it, cumulatively, including in the opinion of too many fellow members for me to have kept count of.
Which members?
Please provide an example..
At least meet me half way..

They shall remain nameless. I'm the host and I accepted all comers in this very first group I ever created, and I don't apologize for needing to modify the house rules as I go along.

I want to let October be a trial period where you refrain from being the member with the most posts in the month. So far in day 1 you are back up at #1.
I need to talk them directly..
I don't see any more posts coming.. alway..
You are over reacting..

YOu are over posting.
fine I will stop posting for a month..
Will that solve it?
I will also delete some older material..

A good start would be if you stop being the most frequent poster every single week. You're at # 1 today. I wonder who will be #1 tomorrow.
I said I will stop.. However who else has posted material about 9/11? How many 9/11 topics exist on your page?

You have a couple fans, 1-2 likes on many of your posts. Leave all the old stuff up as far as I care. It's going forward that I want to be different.
I would like a detailed account of everything.. Ray..

Yes you would. And I would like you to leave my group.
Who said said what so far.. I count very little from you and other members ..
Lets review the titles together
Do not join the group "9/11 Forensics". They are pushing the "fake jumpers" theory.

Today it's you with two and me with one, and my one was an admin notice of booting someone for proselytizing.

count your september posts and tell me the name of anyone else with nearly that number
I said I would delete it
one post has been deleted

at this point with your alleged desire for defensive accounting that would be tantamount to erasing evidence.
No they were copies by mistake..

Sooo tiresome.

Let's exchange dozens of texts about how you don't go on and on and on without ever going anywhere.
That's correct..

Will you PRETTY PLEASE leave my group RIGHT NOW, just because it's mine and I'm asking you to?
hold on we agreed to for the posting to slow down already correct?
We agreed that the posting would slow down correct?

Nah, because you wanted to nitpick about every individual post when it is totally obvious you are dominating the numbers.

Now go, please, I just want you gone.
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Ray Ubinger
September 27 at 1:02am
"I have no doubt some people saw planes in the sky". - Matthew J Loader
Pre-2nd-Hit?


  • Ray Ubinger That's my best guess. Instead of or more likely in addition to that, I remain open to possible holography, and the poorly understood nature of the many definite exotic flying objects.
    LikeReply2September 26 at 1:48am
  • Matthew J Loader Perhaps they found a way of projecting in daylight. Who truly knows what they had/have in their bag of tricks.
    LikeReply1September 26 at 1:49am
  • Ray Ubinger The high percentage of plane witnesses who just don't sound credible to me, weighs against holography.
    LikeReply1September 26 at 1:53am
  • Matthew J Loader I have no doubt some people saw planes in the sky, but none hit the towers. I'm leaning toward most of witness testimony coming from the NORAD drills, but used to cover the events of 9/11
    LikeReply1September 26 at 1:57am
  • Matthew J Loader Well, John Lear states that the B-2 has a holographic projector on board. The B-2 is a stealth plane, right? Perhaps that's the plane flying the 1000 feet to the right of the tower, that you mention,Keith. I still reckon that white plane had some part to play in the proceedings though.
    LikeReplySeptember 26 at 3:17am
  • Matthew J Loader On that clip when John Lear discusses the B-2, a clipo of it is shown flying around. It looks to be at the WTC/ wider Lower Manhatten area. Do you know the one I mean?
    LikeReplySeptember 26 at 3:21am
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