My next blog post will be drum roll please .. Yes its that fat female officer story which is funny enough is just "too much plane evidence" and no one believes it.. Feedback has been almost 100% negative. Both plane lovers and no plane lovers can rejoice and agree together that too much plane evidence is just too much..
Just the right amount of 9/11 plane seeing? Nope, this is just too much..
NYPD Officer Carol Pauker is the only witness to have seen first plane material inside the impact area in the North Tower on 9/11 so far. However IF she must stick to a script, could she keep it up over the years? If you were doing a police investigation one could interview them several times with gaps, and then listen to the same story for inconsistencies which is exactly situation we have today i.e the audio part was recorded in 2001 and the book comment was much later. 2007 the same story has very little inconsistencies. The book version might have been embellished a little bit more.
Audio source 2001
http://memory.loc.gov/service/afc/afc2001015/sr/sr316a01.mp3
Book quote 2007
https://goo.gl/photos/CjTBYQwKcJt5Hx3e9
Book quote SourceSurviving the Shadows: A Journey of Hope
Norma RaeShe may very well have seen plane material but who is to say it wasn't planted there just like the passports?
Daniel M. PlesseNorma Rae You asked or maybe it was someone else about plane materials inside the towers or inside the impact area.. This is that response. Both audio and text however no video yet!
Norma RaeDaniel, do you really believe the passport ejected out of a military plane that crashed into the towers or do you agree the passports were planted?
Daniel M. PlesseNorma Rae I believe the hoax was the hijackers on 9/11 but not a single witness has has said on 9/11 that they witnessed Flight 11 or flight 175 unless you can prove otherwise.. Think about it.. They sent the wrong plane and you talking about no planes.. What is wrong with this picture?
Thomas DiganI haven't been on here for a while but when I read this it makes me cringe. She witnessed a plane hanging out of WTC 1. For real. I don't care if she repeated the same nonsense 10 years later, she is talking pish. Show me one picture of anything even resembling a plane in the gash.
Daniel M. PlesseWell NOW I know what to look for.. Before I was just following the naudet brother (I forget which) inside the towers. without looking at the damage first.. I wonder if one of the FF witnessed the Mr. Naudet filming the towers BEFORE entering the lobby..
Post-trauma pathways -- A new step in an old journey -- Gunnery Sergeant James F. Gallagher -- The physiology of post-traumatic stress -- Collisions -- Healing from within -- Behind the badge -- Trauma resilience -- Defining moment -- Twenty-first century therapies -- On the front lines -- "Are you Robert?" -- Epilogue : from the dark side to the light side -- Afterword : "Take care of each other."
"They
were out of Hector Field, Fargo, North Dakota. A bunch, this 119
Fighter Group and they are called the Happy Hooligans. They are probably
the best interceptors that we have in the country. They were moved to
Langley Air Force Base from Hector Field down to Southern Virginia. And
when the klaxon horn went off at 9:35, those two pilots put down their
coffee and shot into their aircraft and took off. They didn't know where
they were going initially but by 10:00 hours, they had rendezvoused
over Southern Pennsylvania. That's about 250 miles in just a matter of
minutes and engaged 93 with two side-winder missiles. And they
accomplished their objective. Now Hector Field, I use to fly out of
Hector Field some time ago. I know most of those pilots. I could name
names. I know the National Guard Adj. General. And they were decorated
about a year later" -Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army
"119
Fighter Group and they are called the Happy Hooligans. And when the
klaxon horn went off at 9:35, those two pilots put down their coffee and
shot into their aircraft and took off. They didn't know where they were
going initially but by 10:00 hours, they had rendezvoused over Southern
Pennsylvania. That's about 250 miles in just a matter of minutes and
engaged 93 with two side-winder missiles."-Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S.
Army
These
planes were being piloted by remote control, probably an AWACs aircraft
taking over that airplane or airplanes or drones, unmanned drones. And
flying them at 5 and 8 G-force that no pilot could withstand.-Col. Donn
de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army
Well, the only thing I can say is that let's consider that second
aircraft that hit the World Trade Center. It did have a control device
on the belly of the 757. That aircraft was unmanned and went in and blew
up as a diversion. And something else happened. This was a
sideshow.-Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army
the
aircraft, you see, had totally unconscious people on board. There were
no hijackers. At 9:35, the Happy Hooligans, the Air Guard flying the
F-16s were ordered to take that plane out. And they took it out from
9:35 to 10:00-Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army
There had been an adjustment to the controls, probably by an AWACs
aircraft flying overhead, again, remote control. And it was on a course
for either the Capitol or the White House. And at this stage, you don't
know. The Happy Hooligans came in and took care of it.-Col. Donn de
Grand-Pre, U.S. Army
Arnold Roma recounts his story of 9/11 when the South Tower collapsed on him and his determined search to locate his son, Keith Roma, who was with Fire Patrol 2 in the North Tower. Music Licensed through Pond5
Mineta Transportation Institute 9/11 Report Recounts Fireballs and Earthquakes BEFORE Towers Collapse
Mineta Transportation Institute Reported 30 Seconds of vibrations "People inside the South Tower felt the floor vibrate as if a small
earthquake were occurring. Instinctively, they sought shelter behind the
massive pillars in the lobby, then everything went black. The vibration
lasted for about 30 seconds.
The doors were knocked out, and a huge ball of flame created by the
exploding diesel fuel from the building’s own supply tank shot from the
elevator shaft and out the doors of the South Tower, consuming
everything in its path." Mineta Transportation Institute's 30 Seconds of vibrations BEFORE collapse clearly was not caused by 1. planes 2. fires or falling debris therefore its something else was used to help the building turn to dust.
this was written by a consultant to RAND corp and KROLL, Brian Jenkins:
this account describes both building 7 tenants, including OEM, DEA, FBI, ATF and CIA -- what was happening at time of WTC1 collapse (10:56am?) -- which was removing of evidence from building --
and this curious part in bold face about a diesel-fuel fireball that erupted out of WTC2 lobby. how does a diesel generator or tank explosion in WTC2 cause a vibration that lasts 30 seconds, then shoots up elevator shaft and out the doors of WTC2 (note that the lobby windows were also broken)/. then moments later WTC2 collapsed?! this account does not seem to be present anywhere else /. how did Biran Jenkins get this information?> http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/500327/1/
The OEM staff now had to develop responses to what had shortly before seemed unthinkable. As they dispersed to other locations, they observed people jumping to their deaths from the floors of the tower above the fire.
People inside the South Tower felt the floor vibrate as if a small earthquake were occurring. Instinctively, they sought shelter behind the massive pillars in the lobby, then everything went black. The vibration lasted for about 30 seconds. The doors were knocked out, and a huge ball of flame created by the exploding diesel fuel from the building's own supply tank shot from the elevator shaft and out the doors of the South Tower, consuming everything in its path. Minutes later, at 9:59 A.M., the tower collapsed.
Fortunately, the NYPD Command and Control Center was operational. MTA sent representatives to maintain continuity of communications. Almost immediately, the MTA representatives began coordinating the provision of buses to move military personnel and provide temporary shelters. Personal relationships developed during prior emergencies enhanced interagency coordination.
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey had representatives at the NYPD Command and Control Center, and activated its own Emergency Operations Center (EOC). It also sent representatives to the NYC OEM in its temporary location. Was George Tabeek, a witness to another fireball and another 30 seconds of earthquakes referenced in the MTI report? http://transweb.sjsu.edu/MTIportal/research/publications/documents/Sept11.book.htm
George Tabeek
"You’re hearing the rumble and you don’t see a thing. Everything is shaking around you. building is pulling me in"
"Then all the sudden I get hit with a blast of heat like I was being burnt in an oven — like a sun’s rays just hitting you "
Eye witness accounts that support the Mineta Transportation Institute Report
1. Linda Raisch-Lopez "The building was vibrating " 2. EMT RUSSELL HARRIS I looked at the building and it started vibrating 3. EMT JOHN ROTHMUND "The noise and the vibrations." 4. CHARLES WELLS "- a very strong vibration, shaking, and a loud noise like a subway train coming through a station at speed," 5. LIEUTENANT DANIEL WILLIAMS "I heard a deep rumbling, and I felt vibrations." 6. FIREFIGHTER KEVIN MCCABE SOME SORT OF VIBRATION LIKE VRR VRR VRR GETTING LOUDER AND LOUDER 7.LIEUTENANT JAMES MCGLYNN "THAT VIBRATION THAT WE FELT WAS THE SOUTH TOWER" Hour Later Big Big Explosion
Question about MTI Lesson Learned,
"People inside the South Tower felt the floor vibrate as if a small
earthquake were occurring. Instinctively, they sought shelter behind the
massive pillars in the lobby, then everything went black. The vibration
lasted for about 30 seconds.
The doors were knocked out, and a huge ball of flame created by the
exploding diesel fuel from the building’s own supply tank shot from the
elevator shaft and out the doors of the South Tower, consuming
everything in its path.
Do you have a source for the above statement? Thanks Dan
Reply
Which research report are you referencing? We have many.
Thanks...
Donna,
Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks
""People inside the South Tower felt the floor vibrate as if a small
earthquake were occurring. Instinctively, they sought shelter behind the
massive pillars in the lobby, then everything went black. The vibration
lasted for about 30 seconds.
The doors were knocked out, and a huge ball of flame created by the
exploding diesel fuel from the building’s own supply tank shot from the
elevator shaft and out the doors of the South Tower, consuming
everything in its path."
Does someone know name of this witness?
Reply
Hello
Dan... That report came from people inside the lobby who successfully
evacuated the building. Those who were outside the building also felt
the vibration as it passed through the ground.
If
I recall correctly from my master's degree classes, there were several
diesel tanks stored on the building roof as a precaution following the
previous bombing attempt in the underground garage. It was believed that
the fuel would be safer on the roof. However, when the planes hit,
their own jet fuel combined with the building's diesel supply to rain
down a mixture that created an inferno. That fireball, at least in part,
brought down the structure.
People
died not only from the explosion and demolition, but also from less
likely causes, such as concussion shock waves, which traveled into
tunnels that otherwise remained relatively intact.
I hope that answers your question.
Best, Donna
Donna,
I am interested in "That report came from (last few) people
inside the lobby who successfully evacuated the building." this is a
few minutes before collapse and does not have anything to do with the
planes.. Not 56 minutes later at 9:02-9:04.. So only the last few people who
left the towers..
Do you happen to know who the last few people
were to leave the South towers? I remember one women who fell into a
elevator shaft because the ground was moving so much.. However she got
out.. I wonder if she was one of these witnesses.. Hi Dan. I do not know who those people were.
Donna,
Who wrote the report because 30
seconds of earthquakes, and then a fireball from basement explosion and
then a few minutes lapsed and then collapse is pretty amazing.. Maybe
its from NYPD reports.. Did you know about this before?
Can you ask the person or person who wrote the report?
Dan, I am
not sure what you are getting at. If you need a minute-by-minute
analysis, you will have to find the agency that may have those kinds of
details. I do not know who that may be, but I would start with the
office of emergency services in NYC or a similar agency that did a
detailed investigation.
