FLIR Camera Hot Spot Below North Tower Impact Zone below James Gartenberg last known location.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccr509u7cqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccr509u7cqM
``The explosion on the 86th floor seemed to come from the inside out, rather than the outside in,''
The explosion on the 86th floor = happened on the 86 floor!
not the plane on the 94 floor
inside out = explosives
outside in = plane
not the plane on the 94 floor
inside out = explosives
outside in = plane
Dan Plesse Bob Sagat
Jim Gartenberg didn't smell jet fuel at all you idiot. Not even an issue. He didn't even know a plane hit at all.
What would cause jet fuel i.e Kerosene (jet A) to suddenly explode in a elevator shaft away??
Kerosene (jet A) the liquid fuel is not explosive by itself. The fuel vapor needs to be pressurized with Oxygen. Jet A is aviation kerosene, it is very similar to the common kerosene used in home lamps and heaters.
No common kerosene lamp used in home has ever exploded.
"Jet A fuel has such a low volatility that at normal temperatures it gives off very little vapor and does not form flammable or explosive fuel/air mixtures."
"Back when I used to fuel aircraft, I was told by manager there that you could have a gallon bucket of Jet A and drop a match in it and the fuel would actually knock the fire out."
"I remember a long time ago a fireman saying it is the fumes that burn not the liquid"
And the Explosion and fireball was moving up not down.
``It looked like the explosion came up through the elevator,'' said Ms. Puma, 33
- Dan Plesse Electrical wires are shielded and no fires from the a plane many floors below, try again you moron. No scientist has tested pouring Kerosene down a shaft and having any kind of explosion. It make zero sense. No clothing had Kerosene on it and no doctor reported Kerosene was the cause.
Bob Sagat YES Dan Plesse, you have a fact right! It is AMAZING! two wires to short out! What can cause that???? A plane crash? How about something metal cutting into two wires from any portion of a collapse?
When you have as much vapor around the wires, it doesn't take much.
Oh, I guess then the hundreds of people who are witnesses in the lobby did not see jet fuel when they claimed jet fuel. The firefighters claimed that too. First responders. Shoot, even the damage to the area was consistent with a fuel explosion from the shaft. The people where were lit on fire from the explosion of FUEL.
So, try not to call me a moron unless you want me to call you out.- Dan Plesse Bob Sagat No you moron, A plane crash did NOT create the conditions necessary to cause anything you just said. The explosions were A LOT more powerful then your moron ideas.
firefighters only ASSUMED that cause because they got there TOO LATE moron.
People who got blown up didn't say Jet Fuel splash on them or vapor was in the area. I didn't not hear doctors support you moron ideas.
Case in point was Jim Gartenberg for not smelling Jet Fuel you moron.
The evidence would be all over the victims. No forensic evidence was collected to support your moron ideas.
Look up forensic evidence you idiot. - Bob Sagat Dan Plesse Here are witness testimonies:
https://sites.google.com/.../insidethenorthtower...
- Dan Plesse Bob Sagat " but he was still fused in the chair and that elevator bank was melted," that's NOT jet fuel you idiot.
Jet fuel does not fused people to chairs or melt elevator banks. Unless you reproduce these results, its NOT Jet Fuel. - Dan Plesse Oral Histories debunks the cause was moron Jet Fuel because of the timing of the explosions was Symmetrical. The smell jet fuel does not rule out blast from secondary sources. Only a moron believes so i.e anti-truthers.
"He said at that point he thought there were bombs up there because it was too even. As we've since learned, it was the jet fuel that was dropping down that caused all this.
But he said it was too even.
Q. Symmetrical?
http://investingnideas.com/7060_Pages_Oral_histories...
Dan Plesse Bob Sagat " firefighter who had to put a person who was on fire from JET FUEL out. "
Let search the document for "on fire" Five HITS
https://sites.google.com/site/911stories/insidethenorthtower:witnessaccounts,lobb
1. elevators were on fire
2. elevators looked like they were on fire in the lobby
3. A passerby across the street ran to them, reaching Lauren [Manning] first, and put the flames out. (no jet fuel)
4. 100 feet from the tower entrance his clothes on fire (no jet fuel)
5. next thing she knew she was on fire. (no jet fuel)
Bob Sagat you are a fucking liar!
Not a single person on that page was interviewed in Oral Histories.
Dan Plesse Jeremy Haydon More importantly is why are anti-truthers connecting the smells jet fuel to burn victims and everything else, even 100 feet away and across the street? Its seem like they assume all fired were connected however no document has ever said that people had to contend with the issues of Jet Fuel on burn victims.
Why the censorship?
Why the censorship?
Dan Plesse Bob Sagat "Fuck you. What else did I say? I am also still looking for that specific story"
I assumed that link was the evidence. Thanks for the confession to at least incompetence.
Jeffrey Harr I can't find people "who did report smelling jet fuel?" from oral histories, that's how you negate those facts.
#1
I remember asking Ray Downey was it the
jet fuel that blew up. He said at that point he
thought there were bombs up there because it was
too even. As we've since learned, it was the jet
fuel that was dropping down that caused all this.
But he said it was too even.
Q. Symmetrical?
A. So his original thought was that he
thought it was a bomb up there as well
#2
GOLDFARB SAID THAT HE SMELLED GAS NOBODY SMELLED GAS EXCEPT CHIEF GOLDFARB CHIEF GOLDFARB SMELLING
GAS SAVED ABOUT 40 PEOPLE BECAUSE WE MOVED THROUGH THE BACK LOBBY AND OUT THE SIDE ENTRANCE
ON TO THE FARTHER END OF VESEY STREET GOING
TOWARDS NORTH END AVENUE
http://investingnideas.com/7060_Pages_Oral_histories...
I assumed that link was the evidence. Thanks for the confession to at least incompetence.
Jeffrey Harr I can't find people "who did report smelling jet fuel?" from oral histories, that's how you negate those facts.
#1
I remember asking Ray Downey was it the
jet fuel that blew up. He said at that point he
thought there were bombs up there because it was
too even. As we've since learned, it was the jet
fuel that was dropping down that caused all this.
But he said it was too even.
Q. Symmetrical?
A. So his original thought was that he
thought it was a bomb up there as well
#2
GOLDFARB SAID THAT HE SMELLED GAS NOBODY SMELLED GAS EXCEPT CHIEF GOLDFARB CHIEF GOLDFARB SMELLING
GAS SAVED ABOUT 40 PEOPLE BECAUSE WE MOVED THROUGH THE BACK LOBBY AND OUT THE SIDE ENTRANCE
ON TO THE FARTHER END OF VESEY STREET GOING
TOWARDS NORTH END AVENUE
http://investingnideas.com/7060_Pages_Oral_histories...
- Dan Plesse Bob Sagat "I provided evidence of jet fuel in the lower parts of the tower." So you moved the goal post back? What happen to main issue? Pre-Planted bombs and explosions from the top all the way to the bottom of the North Tower B levels..
You provided 3 people who smelled something, so what. Oral histories provide one person who smelled Gas and not a single person reported smelling jet fuel. You seem to not understand your point which has been debunked i.e NO PERSON WAS ON FIRE DO TO JET FUEL., So please don't ever repeat those stupid comments again, case closed and inside job.
Did you read or search through the 7060 pages of Oral Histories? Did you watch the video I provided above?
Calvin Kovatch its not a logical fallacy to cover up explosions with a van explosion or Plane impact. You seem to be retarded.
"I ask you, what do you ink brought down the towers?" You seem to not understand anything or watch the video I just posted, therefore so you are not searching for the Truth. What is your point? How does it feel to be shill troll slave?
Notice all the edits by "Chilling final words of those who died inside the Twin Towers on 9/11" by the Daily Mirror you can follow along here
Jim Gartenberg - 86 Floor below First Plane Impact 94th and 99th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVLuH3Plr1k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVLuH3Plr1k
Chilling yellow journalism is more like it.
JG: I’m stuck right now.
ABC: Now are you above, Jim, or below?
JG: I have no idea, I have no idea where the plane hit.
ABC: There were two planes. One went into one tower, one the other. What do you see around you? Are you in smoke? Are you in fire?
JG: Debris is falling around us and part of the core of the building has been blown out.
ABC: How many other people are with you Jim?
JG: One other person... On the air I want to tell anybody who has a family member in the building that the situation is under control... Please all family members, take it easy.
Jim Gartenberg - 86 Floor below First Plane Impact 94th and 99th (Jet fuel fires could NOT have blown out part of the massive 47 core columns inside the twin...
YOUTUBE.COM
Why did George Sleigh survive and not Jim?
http://letsrollforums.com/george-sleigh-911-survivor-t21774.html?s=29ab41c37c804ed1cf4f25a9058b14f7&
