"A number of beefed up security measures had been taken since the '93 bombing, which was delivered in a car driven into a garage. Things like a "nerve central" security control room "bunker" built 40 feet underground and card-readers and steel-plate delta barriers for all garage entrances."
The Security Control Room Did NOT exist until after 1993 and was the response to the bombing so WHY did you say the photo was from 1993?
"A number of beefed up security measures had been taken since the '93 bombing, which was delivered in a car driven into a garage. Things like a "nerve central" security control room "bunker" built 40 feet underground and card-readers and steel-plate delta barriers for all garage entrances"
Therefore the Security Control Room did not exist until after the 1993 Bombing.
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Daniel M. PlesseWilliam Rodriguez I still don't understand. Can you contact Barrie Zwicker and tell him you believe the photos are from 1993 for some reason and that Janette was mistaken? thanks
The 1993 bombing only had car fires. So the Command Center Photos are from 9/11
FYI
therefore the fire damage seem has to be on 9/11.
Security Control Room and the OCC ( Operations COntrol Center) were 2 different things. The OCC was built after the 93 Bombing.
Right the Security Control Room Did NOT exist until after 1993 and was the response to the bombing so WHY did you say the photo was from 1993?
"A number of beefed up security measures had been taken since the '93 bombing, which was delivered in a car driven into a garage. Things like a "nerve central" security control room "bunker" built 40 feet underground and card-readers and steel-plate delta barriers for all garage entrances"
Therefore the Security Control Room did not exist until after the 1993 Bombing.
WTC Operations Control Center (OCC) located in the B1 level of 2 WTC.
because it is what I remember. Security Control rooms where more than one. I remember one for example in the 22nd floor If I recall correct. Also , there were not listed on the tenants lists since they were part of the Port Authority and only ocupied small spaces in some floors. Now, I could be wrong about the photo but in my mind is not what I recall.
Also, I just was told you were posting our conversation without telling me. I do not mind, but not cool without asking me first. Cheers and good luck.
A couple of years ago I gave a talk on how there's lots of ways of making iron-rich microspheres, and hence the claim that finding them in building dust is evidence of explosives being used is pretty specious.
First its not just "evidence of explosives" . Thermite so far has only
been used in HTA Arson cases and that was reported all throughout the
90's as per the news reports in the Wall Street Journal.
Second
your "iron filings" would have to be found in the WTC dust all many more
times then the iron-rich microspheres which also included MN and zinc
which were are anti-corrosion metals added to the protection of metal
surfaces from corroding in high-risk (corrosive) environments and would
resist turning into rust in the first place. Does steel turn into iron
filings even when mixed with other alloys? Copper or Cu for example.
Mick West theory is that iron filings of the right size fell at the
right distance past a flame and reacted but did not create rust but
maintained the same material i.e an iron to create iron-rich microsphere
which still flammable but avoided all the fires and flames a second
time to be found later.
RJ Lee found the microspheres in amounts up to 6% inside the skyscraper across the street from WTC 2. Other scientists estimate a total of 10-100 tons of microspheres altogether throughout Lower Manhattan. These spheres were so abundant that RI Lee used them as a signature component of the WTC Dust. RJ Lee notes that the microspheres were created during the event and not by welding operations during the clean-up of Ground Zero.
Yet RJ Lee believes the microspheres were produced from burning and flaking iron within the building. 'The formation of iron and other type spheres at temperatures obtainable by the combustion of petroleum or coal-based fuels is not a new or unique process'Lee correspondence with Ron Wieck
@woden1809 No they did not! full quote '...The iron is heated red hot or hotter and subjected to hurricane force blast furnace like wind. The iron flakes are liberated as small particles and some iron is vaporized...The formation of iron and other type spheres at temperatures obtainable by the combustion of petroleum or coal based fuels is not a new or unique process. 'Notice you forgot to add the sentence that stated 1. The iron is heated red hot or hotter 2. subjected to hurricane force blast furnace like wind. .. The combustion of petroleum or coal is a blast furnace is not new but it is outside the context of 9/11.
@Simply Vibrations Then you should be able to keep reusing the resulting fuel and make more reactions. Has he done that? Also name someone who found iron micro-spheres or any spheres for that matter resulting from steel wool reaction.
"Other ways that can be created like rust or flecks of iron". You can't burn rust or Iron Oxide. Strike one. Why would the towers shed iron flecks like shedding skin cells? Strike Two.
So you can't get iron from iron ore? Because that is mostly iron oxide.Aside from that, pick up a flake from a steel girder sometime, or just any old carbon steel that's outside. break it... you'll likely find un-oxidized iron inside.
@Paulie200 Iron ore is not reacting i.e burning in air mixing with oxygen to create iron, hence the word burn. If you break steel and you should find steel inside not iron. To get iron you have remove the carbon content. The only people who follow mick are bigger fools. You are using stupid examples.
RJ Lee One type, which comprised about 6 percent of the samples, was spherical iron and silicate particles that indicated very high temperatures ("WTC Dust Signature Study" pp. 4, 24, 17). USGS "The primary metal and metal-oxide phases in WTC dust are Fe-rich [iron-rich) and Zn-rich [zinc-rich) particles. Frank Greening said "discovered fe/mn alloy microspheres"
@Mick West So now you are questioning USGS paper or was that RJ Lee figures ?? "plenty of oxygen" then the iron rich part would read oxygen rich would it not. Elevated Tritium Levels at World Trade Center pdf says it all 1. No tritium signs at [the] WTC,2. fire and emergency equipment not been the source,3. 767–200 source: T2 was efficiently oxidized to HTO and then immediately vaporized do to heat. i.e not the source of Elevated Tritium!
