Wednesday, May 13, 2015

How fast were the planes going and why is there is a pretty wide variance


Flight 175 flew as fast as Colt .45




Which speed numbers do you use.. NTSB - NIST or WIKI or lower yet Shilley Walker's numbers

WIKI 2006 numbers 
"Flight 11 was traveling roughly 490 mph (790 km/h) when it crashed into the north tower, Flight 175 hit the south tower at about 590 mph (950 km/h). " 

http://web.archive.org/.../Collapse_of_the_World_Trade...

.......................................................flight 175 .......Flight 11
1. WIKI ......................... ............. ....590 mph 490 mph
2. "Radar Data Impact Speed Study" .586. ..... 494 
3. NIST ......................................... .542 and ......443 mph 
4. Shilley Walker ..............................530 and ......400 mph

" .45 ACP pistol round has a muzzle velocity of 850 ft/s typically. That translates to about 580 mph."
.45 Colt 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Colt

bf (540 J) of muzzle energy at about 860 ft/s (260 m/s), making it roughly equivalent to modern .45 ACP loads. There are Cowboy Action Shooting loads which develop muzzle velocities of around 750 ft/s (230 m/s). Some handloads and factory manufactured cartridges put this round in the same class as the .44 Magnum.

.45 Colt 860 ft/s (260 m/s) = 586.364 MPH muzzle matches 
NTSB concludes 510 (586.898 MPH) by 0.534 so a plane few as fast as .45 Colt flies thought air ?
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Monday, May 11, 2015

9/11 and Police Commissioner William Bratton




9/11 Bill Bratton said all the buildings in the area had to checked because of the phenomenal series of explosions.. Some building are still cracked today i.e the federal reserve building,,,


i.e
The $16 million rehabilitation can be traced directly to the attack on New York.
"We have severe cracks in the infrastructure, which had existed prior to 9/11, but 9/11 exacerbated the cracking" of interior and exterior walls, said Joseph T. Avery, superintendent of Manhattan sites for the National Park Service, which runs Federal Hall. One of those fissures, in a basement storage room, had grown ominously in the wake of the attack. "What had been a pinhole was big enough that you could put your thumb in," Mr. Avery recalled.
The park service called in the architectural and engineering firm Einhorn Yaffee Prescott. One of the attention-grabbing exterior cracks was at the corner near Pine Street. Formerly a hairline, it was now closer to a quarter-inch wide.
"It seems to have been the seismic event of the collapses that triggered the cracking," said Marie Ennis, an engineer and the firm's principal in charge of the project.
Indira Singh 9/11 surrounding buildings earthquake damage report
https://youtu.be/SjIPEunSC40

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Wednesday, May 6, 2015

NYC Rushed Evidence Removal of World Trade Center




  • M. C. Faulkner & Sons mcfaulkner@securespeed.us

    Attachments10:45 AM (1 hour ago)
    to me
    The seals in the cylinders may be damaged by the heat.  We would have to build special shields for the cylinders, which would involve a custom grapple, to make room for the protection.  We do know our grapple has been used to move burning debris without any issues, but molten material may be more intense
     
    Sincerely,

    This is an extraordinarily articulate indictment of the failures of investigation after 9/11... Sadly it fell upon deaf ears at the time.
    NYC Rushed Evidence Removal of World Trade Center before FEMA BPAT
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klaLuk1Aq-M
    Sadly the Truth movement also failed to make this a part of the 9/11 Truth fabric like so many other topics and issues from whitehorse yukon fake hijack codes, to professional HTA Arson past, future and present and missing GeoPosition and depth data all 9/11 Earthquakes.


    NYC Rushed Evidence Removal of World Trade Center before FEMA BPAT
    NYC Rushed Evidence Removal of World Trade Center before FEMA


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  • Jay Phillip Shore "The concrete was literally pulverized; all you're left with is steel and dust."
    - Robert A. Kelman, General Manager of Hugo Neu Schnitzer East, who managed the destruction of 250,000 tons of steel from the World Trade Center by sending it to Asian smelters, far from the prying eyes of 9/11 investigators.http://www.hugoneu.com/

    Hugo Neu
    Hugo Neu
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  • Jay Phillip Shore The World Trade Center complex contained an estimated 285,000 tons of steel. In September 2002 the Associated Press reported that Hugo Neu had processed 250,000 tons (88 percent) of WTC steel: "The company that filled Megasteel's order, Hugo Neu Schnitzer East of Jersey City, New Jersey, said it had handled 250,000 tons of trade center scrap and had sent shipments to 11 countries, including Malaysia, China, South Korea and Japan."  http://www.hugoneu.com/what-we-do/champions-of-recycling/
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  • Jay Phillip Shore Robert Kelman of Hugo Neu told the press that he was selling the steel for about $105 a ton. But he also paid up to $25 a ton to ship it. "I'm hoping I net $5 a ton, but I don't know," he said. The two recyclers who bought the steel from the World Trade Center were taking on a huge amount of steel in the most depressed scrap market of their time. Was there a hidden partner who managed the destruction of the steel? 

    Today, Hugo Neu is invested in an Israeli venture capital fund called the Agua-Agro Fund. The Agua-Agro fund is managed by Nir Belzer, a senior manager and co-founder of Israel's Millenium Materials Technologies Funds with a man named Oren Gafri. http://www.bloomberg.com/res.../stocks/private/person.asp....

    Oren Gafri: Executive Profile & Biography - Businessweek
    Mr. Oren Gafri is a Senior Partner at Millennium Materials Technologies Funds. Mr. Gafri also serves as a Co-Founder at the firm. Mr. Gafri was the Chief Executive Officer and President at Pulsar Welding Ltd. from 1996 to 2001 and a General Manager at Chemitas Ltd., from 1989 to 1995. He was the Pre
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  • Jay Phillip Shore National Public Radio (NPR) reported in February 2002 that Hugo Neu had received, processed and shipped almost 230,000 tons of steel from the World Trade Center. Kelman told NPR that some of the steel went directly from ground zero to barges -- to his junkyard in Jersey City. At the Hugo Neu junkyard the girders and columns were cut into pieces shorter than five feet (60 inches) and mixed in with other scrap before being sent to smelters in Asia, although the shipping cost was obviously much higher than sending it to an American steel maker. Cut, mix, and ship, seems to have been the Hugo Neu program for the crucial evidence from the World Trade Center. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1138655



    World Trade Center Scrap
    Noah Adams talks with Bob Kelman, senior vice president of Hugo Neu Schnitzer in Jersey City, N.J.,...
    NPR.ORG|BY ALL THINGS CONSIDERED
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Saturday, April 25, 2015

9/11 Justice Movement deleted this post


J Caanard Greene"
From the admin, "Daniel M. Plese was either a spoofer disinfo agent or a useful idiot.. Either way, he's no longer with us, as he posted and blocked me so I couldn't even respond to his bullshit disinformation..

FOR THE RECORD.. This group is NOT a place to discuss or post about "no planes", "crisis actors", "space beams" or any of the SPECULATIVE theories floating around the disinfosphere.. This group's purpose is to focus on the actual HARD EVIDENCE and the collective exploration as to how we can pursue JUSTICE for the crimes of September 11th... You can believe whatever you want about how the towers came down, but if you can't adhere to these rules, you don't belong in this group.." 
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FROM NOTIFICATIONS

Daniel M. Plesse
27 mins
So Rebecca Roth Claim that Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney calls were made at the same time is incorrect. So we have a list of statements are now either missing (Cockpit Keys ) or incorrect which is another nail in her coffin. Every Sunday Starts shill feast, so get ready!
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  • Thomas Digan No calls were made, period, she can say what she wants, no calls as no planes, no planes then no phones, no phones then no calls. Simples.
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  • Daniel M. Plesse Thomas Digan So you shilling for both Roth and No planes at the same time???? Nice
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  • Thomas Digan You having a laff Dan, me shilling, read what i said, you know me, why are you talkinh shite,
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  • Thomas Digan Norma, u seeing this shite, he inundates with his ideas, we put up with it ,calling me a shill is beyond it.
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  • Norma Rae Daniel, I don't see how Thomas' statement is in any way shilling for Roth. You are welcome to disagree with any admins, but calling him a shill is pretty disrespectful. I can't be on here 24/7, so the admins can remove people at their will. Please use your words wisely.
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  • Thomas Digan Daniel I have no doubt about your knowledge of 9/11 and your dedication is brilliant but you don't know people, your knowledge of grammar is questionable, you don't know people, I do, You inundate with your theories on every 9/11 page , you have insulted me by calling me a shill. Unless you apologise i will remove you from this page and any other page i am admin on.
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  • Spencer Ellis Would you really can him for that Thomas?
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  • Thomas Digan Spencer, you know me, you know i'm not a shill, its an insult especially because if he has any sense he will know me and what i am all about, I'm pissed off getting called this, I listen to him on every page i am a member of, i never slag him or call him names.
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  • Norma Rae Spencer Ellis Matt Nereim once called Kevin James a shill. Kevin was fuming. Kevin asked for my permission to boot him. I backed Kevin, but Matt apologized and there was no need to boot him. Although I ended up booting him because then he was on my a$$ for the burnt vs toasted cars. But that's another story.

    Calling an admin a shill is a big no-no. Disagree with us all you want but don't call us shills or other disrespectful names. Cheers 
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  • Spencer Ellis Understood Thomas. Gotcha Norma. 

    Not my biz I guess, just like the amount of info he brings, whether I agree or not. Would hate to see him get the axe, but I realize getting called names sucks.
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  • Thomas Digan If he wants to call me a shill or say I'm shilling whatever that means, then explain it, I am still waiting, he does bring a lot of info Spencer, i like that but am not happy with him. Me an u are cool m8, u stuck up for me when Keith w as being a dick plus i like u.
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  • Spencer Ellis I appreciate that. You're good people as far as I'm concernedThomas.
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  • Thomas Digan Thanks m8
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  • Stephen Phillips look, there may be some link between your observation regarding grammatical fluency, Thomas (your claim, not mine, I have not considered that part of it) and a misapprehension of what you wrote dismissing Roth's accuracy (which was in fact the same thing Daniel was attempting - successfully I think - to demonstrate.

    I hope the mistake is acknowledged, and the accusation withdrawn.

    Which would be the end of story.

    Thomas is genuine, by the way, guys, in my experience, or I'll eat my hat...
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  • Daniel M. Plesse Norma Rae dismissing my exposing of Roth is is pretty disrespectful, with "she can say what she wants" 

    She can say it, but why can't I exposed it? It sounds like defence of Roth. 

    Dismissing Roth's inaccuracy is the same as defending an inaccuracy and therefore protecting a possible 9/11 faker. Then he dwells on his feelings for some reason, when he attacked me with "she can say what she wants". 

    Norma Rae I will not reply to him ever again, so that should solve the problem. I did not know he was a admin but this whole thread is a unnecessary distraction away from exposing criminals.
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http://911.pterodactylus.net/?page=114
The Department of Homeland Security: 
When The Phoenix Comes Home To Roost
Bush with the "internal security" apparatus he needs to assure the continuity of political power in his hands, indefinitely, at the expense of our democracy and liberty.

And it brings the Phoenix Program home to roost.

Phoenix As The Conceptual Precedent For Homeland Security

2001-09-1110:04:35Skytel[005211809]AALPHAflashnet@intelcenter​.com|FlashNet Event|NYC: Third explosion apparently collapses Southern tower of World Trade Center.
2001-09-1202:42:35Skytel[005211809]AALPHAflashnet@intelcenter​.com|FlashNet Event|Osama bin Laden says he has no hand in NYC/DC attacks but supports them because they constitute a reaction of oppressed people against atrocities of the cruel.

2001-09-1109:42:03Metrocall[1222823]BALPHA I just saw I terr
2001-09-1109:42:05Metrocall[1222823]BALPHA orist plane dive toward to the pentagon and explode. Can't find hear what is happening. Please call if you can. Ted

2001-09-1109:47:33Metrocall[0902388]BALPHA Small aircraft crashed at Pentagon.ERT standby.

2001-09-1109:50:46Skytel[005056519]BALPHAInna.Urits@chase.com​||3rd plane just hit Pentagon. Tseluyu. Innulya.

17:30:52 Skytel [004105914] C ALPHA Compass update: laser head and spot size calibrations completed. Currently taking some references to send to Israel. Will have a conf. call w/Israel tomorrow 7:30 to determine how to proceed. Niv. 

(translated from swedish)
00:55:45 Skytel [007529204] B ALPHA DN - The FBI has begun the hunt - no reports of injured Swedes - Israel occupies high alert

16:49:44 Skytel [005206261] B ALPHA vze2j729@verizon.net|Classified Material|Ray, I turned the classified material over to Sgt Fisher. Mission accomplished.

Sep 11 15:33:17
2001-09-11 20:46:01 Arch [1619336] C ALPHA U called it right early on..those buildings melted




2001-09-11 13:11:22 Arch [1421665] A ALPHA 
RtOPS Update #1536 Operation Phoenix - I.S-CDE/CE NE Owner=Core Infrastructure * Operation Phoenix 866-791-7190 Passcode 7508470# Call for 10:00 CT update - activities associated with World Trade Ce 
http://911.wikileaks.org/files/messages_2001_09_11-13_10_2001_09_11-13_14.html#message_714

2001-09-11 13:11:33 Arch [1421665] A ALPHA 
 2 of 2  explosions. **Update** Operation Phoenix: 866-791-7190 passcode 7508470# Update at 13:00 CT SIMS
http://911.wikileaks.org/files/messages_2001_09_11-13_10_2001_09_11-13_14.html#message_769

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vNQTtwrwtg

RtOPS = Regional Thermal Ocean Prediction System


[link to www.signal.army.mil] 

Company B deployed the RC-12N Guardrail Common Sensor system to Operation Phoenix Venture in Kuwait from August 2001 through June 2002. During this time, they also supported US Central Command in support of Operations Desert Spring, Southern Watch and Operation Enduring Freedom.newsdirect@lyris.wcautv.com|NEWS ALERT|According to the Associated Press a car bomb
2001-09-11 12:01:44 Skytel [005042150] B ALPHA exploded outside State Department.
2001-09-11 09:00:25 Arch [0978052] B ALPHA
From: Ayanlar, Orhan (Exchange)- 737 crashes into world trade center.2001-09-1109:08:38Arch[0978052]BALPHA
From: Ayanlar, Orhan (Exchange)- Second plane crashes into other world trade center, terrorists I think?
2001-09-11 08:54:46 Arch [0932407] B ALPHA NYPD and emergency units at World Trade center, RE; airplane crash. Small Jet.

2001-09-11 11:08:26 Arch [1164258] A ALPHA scolucas| Just shot that plane down in leesburg - that is too close to where i am sitting for my liking - the one that hit the faa building - It is pure chaos here right now -
2001-09-11 11:26:32 Arch [0987634] A ALPHA From: Erb, Tammye (Exchange)- F-16s forced the plane down headed toward Dulles. It WAS headed for the Pent2001-09-11 23:01:54 Arch [0908108] D ALPHA 2/02:circuits are up. I am down grading status to information and will update resolution in the ticket. Contact Sheikh Khalil 7705226000 x 4102Mohammed Sheikh Khalil extension x 4102 haha dial terror. Which extension please? ALPHA 1/02:****CHG-TKT**** TYPE: Major OP: 09/11/01 20:17:29 Tkt: NOC000000084877 STAT: WIP COMPANY NAME: BellSouth.Net Inc. SITE: Owensboro LOG: Hopkinsville ERS city of Owensboro was ringing busy due 
2001-09-11 18:15:31 Skytel [003937543] B ALPHA RAY, I JUST SAW ON THE NEWS THAT TOWER NUMBER 7 COLLAPSED. AND I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU KNOW IF THE AGENTS GOT OUT OF THERE ON TIME. PLEASE PUT ALL THESE PROBLEMS ASIDE AND CALL ME JUST TO LET ME KNOW. 305 553 0935 
2001-09-11 18:15:31 Skytel [005125129] C SH/TONE 442001-09-1110:57:39Metrocall[002468283]CALPHAFrom: Joyce Howard Subj: pentagon It was a small commuter plane that crashed into the Pentagon. Part of that building has now collapsed.2001-09-
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