Cataloging the crimes of 9/11

So we’ve moved the goal posts from melted steel to melted concrete? <sigh>

Basically, it’s odd that the temperatures are melting tons of steel and quartz and everything else…but not the revolver and casings embedded in the material that you’re claiming was so incredibly hot? It just fails the logic test. If temperatures were as hot as the conspiracy theorists need them to be in order to validate their thermite charges nonsense, there should be AMPLE evidence of melted steel and almost everything else….but there isn’t so they try to misrepresent and misconstrue what they can find. It’s all such weak sauce.

Just for the record, concrete doesn’t really ‘melt’ because it is a composite material. Here’s a good explanation I found on the interwebs:

“As heat is applied to concrete, it breaks down. The water in the mix evaporates into water vapor, while the sand and gravel become molten lava. The different stones contained in the gravel melt at different temperatures, as does the sand. Other metallic components remain unchanged. When the mix cools off and reforms, it is no longer concrete.”

Dan Plesse

17m ago

The embedded material can’t be fully examined one way or another if it was molten or not, unless you broke open the object. Did you do that? It sounds unhinged that you assume the revolver is fine and usable. Is that your unhinged estimate? I would start by calling a doctor and get a brain scan first thing tomorrow morning.

Basically what you are doing creating your own straw-men arguments and then letting logic go in the wind by your own doing. i.e its the unhinged defense.

I hope you’re not going to use each new word as a means to avoid the topic of high temperatures. So far you using concrete to avoid the high temperatures issue then what will you use next?

Lets give you more ammo and more words to avoid with.

Scientist also talked about “new chemicals” (hmmm will he talk about chemicals now?)

Will “new chemicals” be the next chapter of avoidance scheme of off topic dribble? Chances are YES!

9-11 Debunker, Steven Dutch said So why wasn't there a huge puddle of molten concrete at Ground Zero?

Well the scientists who said

beyond 2,000 degrees fahrenhet were looking at

“huge puddle of concrete” looks like more people using “smart phones” to me!

“So we’ve moved the goal posts from melted steel to melted concrete?” Nope that’s just you avoiding..

We can see the results of high temperatures and the effects it has on sidewalks.

The end product after 2,000 C is not going to still be concrete, so no one here talking about concrete but that was the language used and its assumed the heat transform these object into something more like a “rock”.

Quartz sand melts around 1650 C.

Cement melts around 1550 C.

Limestone decomposes at 825 C into lime, and lime melts at 2572 C.

Granite (another aggregate) melts at 1260 C.

“but not the revolver and casings were not melted” ??? what ?
Nope wrong again.
Not only are there subtractions but also additions i.e bumps on a once smooth object.

Scott Sheriff

3h ago

Maybe you should put the conspiracy kool-aid down.

The ‘NYPD 9/11 Museum’? I have no idea where I might find that, but there is no record of a ‘NYPD 9/11 Museum’ on the interwebs.

Maybe they just don’t have a website yet?

C’mon man. Are verifiable references that difficult?

I must have missed the ‘lava travelling down the street’ footage, too. The government conspiracy keeps all the interesting facts from those of us with only smart phones….or something.

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Dan Plesse

8m ago

New York City Police Museum https://nycpm.org/exhibits/

“lava travelling down the street” signage not footage

9/11 Museum Scientists determined heat levels

Quartz sand melts around 1650 C.

Cement melts around 1550 C.

Limestone decomposes at 825 C into lime, and lime melts at 2572 C.

Granite (another aggregate) melts at 1260 C.

Scott Sheriff

3h ago

There’s no evidence of molten steel at the World Trade Center site, but there was lots of molten metal. I can’t tell you what metal is in the pictures (or where it was obtained), but you’ll forgive me for not blindly accepting anything that the 9/11 conspiracy theorists present as ‘molten steel from ground zero’.

Steel melts at 2,800 F whereas many metals melt at much lower temperatures e.g. lead melts at just over 600 F, aluminum melts at 1,200 F, zinc at 800 F, tin at 450 F, etc. Given the massive size of the twin towers and all the materials/stuff inside them, I’m sure that there was a lot of concrete and steel found at ground zero, but also many other substances including many different kinds of metal.

The attached link attempts to run down the claims of ‘molten steel’ at ground zero. Spoiler alert: the claim doesn’t hold up
WTC Molten Steel

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Dan Plesse

Just now

Nope clearly molten steel.. “the Mn/Fe ratio for these particles is consistent with WTC structural steel. “ “Molten at the time of their formation. “ Frank Greening Study! Six percent of the dust was covered in MN/Fe particles.

Museums and individuals know what a material is by its weight. So its not firefighters saying what it is which they do on video and its NOT just photos. The public has NEVER questioned the displays at museums and these objects have been tested and the results were made public.

“"The museum hired specialists to perform forensic testing and analysis of two large composites and several smaller pieces that had broken off. ... Scientists determined that, at heat levels in excess of two thousand degrees Fahrenheit,"

The guns at NYPD museum also has evidence of melting on display!

The scientists said beyond 2,000 degrees fahrenhet.

your link covers nothing 1. no Dr. Astaneh-Asl on video says “melting” before he is attacked by a reporter on PBS.

Scott Sheriff

6h ago

Nope. It’s just more inaccurate & incorrect conspiracy theory nonsense.

‘Real’ facts involve names, dates, and verifiable scientific evidence.

Conspiracy theories involve vague allusions and claims which are therefore unverifiable. What museum? What specialists? What test results? What analysis? No data is ever provided…just bias-confirming conclusions.

Such weak sauce…but par for the 9/11 Truther course.

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Dan Plesse

7m ago

What museum? The photo has labels. NYPD 9/11 Museum has molten guns on display for example and stories of lava traveling down the street. Look at photo I supplied.

What specialists? Ask the author. Elizabeth Greenspan

Battle for Ground Zero: Inside the Political Struggle to ...

- Page 217

https://books.google.com › books

Elizabeth Greenspan - 2013

Frank Greening wrote a report "the Mn/Fe ratio for these particles is consistent with WTC structural steel"

Characterization of a World Trade Center Dust Sample

What analysis? EDX

Again look at what I posted or look at the summary link and stop using a phone to do research. Put the phone down!
Clear evidence of molten steel at the World Trade Center site