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9-11 Easy Answers to 9-11 debunker stupid questions, issues and a lifestyle of denial

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Ellis Edwards The steel melting issue is irrelevant anyway. The building DISINTEGRATED and SPRAYED all over Manhattan. It wasn't "collapse", it was EXPLOSIVE FORCE.
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Daniel M. Plesse The point of molten steel points to HIGH TEMPERATURE ACCELERANT Manage

The steel melting issue has nothing to do steel failures via weakening or bending which could cause building failures or truss failures or even core column failures, however it does have to do arson fires in the 90's which also caused Steven W. Carman Special Agent Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms May 1994 to write a report called HIGH TEMPERATURE ACCELERANT FIRES which also applies to 9/11.

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911TruthNOW - Steel melting, never seen evidence of that in any 911 analysis that bears credibility.



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1. National September 11 Memorial and Museum said the fused materials were determined to be at heat beyond two thousand degrees Fahrenheit https://photos.app.goo.gl/U51lPQW8QuVigaa93 2.Bechtel helicopter Measures 2,800 https://photos.app.goo.gl/WVLbtoFi7VkNgIuX2 3. Scott Schrimpe, FDNY, 9/11 Melted Steel Molten Steel Box Beam FDNY 9/11 Melted Steel Molten Steel Box Beam FDNY https://photos.app.goo.gl/i76sjiCGq7dPJ8kZ2 Scott Schrimpe, FDNY, https://youtu.be/Msw0odRETPE?t=12m6s
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Evidence Of A Bomb and Frank Greening's WTC Structural Core Sand 
Go to the doctor for your denial. How did so much WTC Structural Core columns turn to sand? Jet Fuel? Nope

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9-11 Easy Answers to 9-11 debunker stupid questions, issues and a lifestyle of stupid Assumptions and MythsIssue #1 Why Didn't Bush Attack Iraq after 9/11?: Second 9/11 False Flag Attack Attempted by Bush back-to-back failed! The leaked Downing Street Memo 1. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy of an attack. http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB328/II-Doc14.pdf PRESIDENT BUSH had plans to lure Saddam Hussein into war by flying an aircraft over Iraq painted in UN colors in the hope he would shoot it down, a book Lawless world : America and the making and breaking of global rules from FDR's Atlantic Charter to George W. Bush's illegal war / Philippe Sands
Your request for Lawless world : America and the making and breaking of global rules from FDR's Atlantic Charter to Ge was successful.
You will be able to pick up this material at Smithtown Library Main when it is ready.

Issue #2
Lamont Doherrty  reported explosions at first 
Explosions often happen during Fires, ask any Firefighter." True but how many of these explosions showed up on  seismographs?  the answer is none.. The only objects to create 2.4 magnitude sized  earthquakes are very large high explosives. Ask any seismologist what events have caused 2.4 magnitude earthquakes and you will have you answer.. First paragraph has been answered and debunked.

André Rousseau a Seismologist  said it was explosions and Lamon Doherty Reported explosions right on there seismographs!

Pulverization of the towers is another reason why the towers did not create  2.4 magnitude sized  earthquakes!
On September 11th civilian body parts flew 886 feet greater distance then Firefighters 

Bodies were also pulverized and violently ejected hundreds of feet! First responders flew less distance then civilian ..

In one case, more than 300 pieces found were from one single victim.

No remains have been found for more than 1,000 WTC victims. Bodies were pulverized and violently ejected hundreds of feet in all directions and mapped.

moronic issue 12weasel100
 Who says that the only thing in the world that can be registered on a seismic meter is a demo charge??

answer : 911TruthNOW

First I did not say
"only thing in the world that can be registered on a seismic meter is a demo charge??"

I did say "The only objects to create 2.4 magnitude sized  earthquakes are very large and high level explosives."

Issue #2 Photo above
Second issue was about the core column spheres that were trapped like sand on a lady's shirt. This shirt was bagged right after or during 9/11, so the clean up issue does not exist... The photograph of bomb exploding i.e the yellow flash happened clearly during and not after.. So your second issue is also  debunked and dismissed..

Frank Greening lady's shirt Study 2017
"the Mn/Fe ratio for these particles is consistent with WTC structural steel." High Heat 
http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2013/11/911-molten-steel-debunked-think-again.html

moronic issue 12weasel100
2- never heard you morons ever talk about "sand" this is a new one reply 911TruthNOW 

Dr Frank Greening Bio - 911myths

www.911myths.com › Home › Investigations, more › Other contributions

I have a Ph. D. in chemistry , but my official title for over 20 years was Senior Research Scientist at what used to be called Ontario Hydro and is now Ontario Power Generation. I was in charge of radioanalytical chemistry research and discovered all sorts of problems with OPG's CANDU reactors... [Google FrankGreenings ...

Issue #3 High Heat  Joe Rogan "It doesn't have to melt"

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"Consequently, the museum conducted additional research, analyzing the heat levels that had created the fused material. Scientists determined that, at heat levels in excess of two thousand degrees Fahrenheit" Or clear High Temperature Arson .. But when it did and has before on Unsolved Mysteries they assumed criminal activity not jet fuel..
So assume its criminal again!
From 9/11 to Unsolved Mysteries The  History of High Temperature Accelerant

moronic issue 12weasel100
 that burns. And the "answer" doesn't address the point that steel only needs to weak in order to fail.....it doesn't need to melt. And the temp range that your own cult puts the fires at (around 1500) is well within the range to weaken steel..

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The steel melting issue has nothing Steel failures, weakening or bending which could cause building failures or truss failures or even core column failures, however it does have to do arson fires in the 90's which caused Steven W. Carman Special Agent Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms May 1994 to write a report called HIGH TEMPERATURE ACCELERANT FIRES
1. Unsolved Mysteries is a normal T.V program addressing the arson fires in the 90's..

The steel melting issue has do with  high temperature arson or Nano Thermite Reactions

HIGH TEMPERATURE ACCELERANT FIRES by Steven W. Carman Special Agent Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms May 1994

Temperatures for thermite reactions have been reported 70 between 2,000o C (3,632o F) and 2,800o C (5,072o F) (13,30). Even though the heat of combustion of an Al-Fe thermite reaction is only about 12% of that for general aluminum combustion, the peak temperatures are about 75% as high. One reason thermites create such high temperatures is because of the minimal amount of gas produced. This enables heat to concentrate in the solid and liquid products rather than being carried away in a gas cloud (6). One distinction between these reactions and standard combustion of metals, is that in a thermite reaction, a clearly detectable slag remains. This is of utmost importance to fire investigators who suspect thermites may have been used.

http://carmanfireinvestigations.com/dl/%28Carman&Associates%29%20-%20High%20Temperature%20Accelerant%20Fires.pdf

9/11 Thermite Explosion On West Street September 11th

nothing else..


   Unsolved Mysteries does address  High Temperature Fires and arson in 90's which used the same sources and method as 9/11.. 9/11 Arson does exist.. "it doesn't need to melt." is not something that Arson investigations address historically, they do however look at thermite sources and methods.  9/11 is thermite based arson investigation so that's the only  issue that matters..


Issue #4   columns and the trusses failed
"BTW, the decks themselves didn't fail; the connections to the columns and the trusses failed." true but Failed do to explosives look at the photo above case closed again.. Sand was the WTC core = explosives..

New York State Museum and National September 11 Memorial & Museum are doing the talking now and not the 9/11 priesthood and both validate the Truth Movement. 


  • Given the data in Active Thermitic Material Discovered I summarize the composition of the chips as follows:http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html
    • gray layer: a hard homogeneous ceramic
      composition: iron and oxygen
    • red layer: an engineered nano-composite substance, comprising:
      • matrix: a nano-structured semi-transparent porous material
        composition: silicon, oxygen, and carbon
      • particles: homogeneously embedded in the matrix and consisting of:
        • thin predominantly hexagonal plates
          dimensions: ~40nm thickness, ~1000nm diameter
          composition: mostly aluminum, with small amounts of carbon and oxygen
        • rhombic faceted grains
          dimensions: ~100nm diameter
          composition: mostly iron and oxygen, probably as Fe2O3, with small amounts of silicon, sulfur, and carbon

    Thermal Behavior of the Chips

    9/11 New York State Museum NO recognizable desks, file cabinets, chairs Were Found 
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnW3IL8XtFo


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    "Consequently, the museum conducted additional research, analyzing the heat levels that had created the fused material. Scientists determined that, at heat levels in excess of two thousand degrees Fahrenheit" Or clear High Temperature Arson


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    Matt Nelson: 9/11 Debris - An Investigation of Ground Zero
    Matt Nelson, a truther it seems, has put together and just (this september, I believe) released a massive (176 pages, PDF; 37 MB file) and well-sourced documentation of the Ground Zero debris situation in New York:


    His interpretation and tenor leans invariably towards CTs, but if you can ignore the tendatious (tendentious) commentary and the arguments from incredulity, this looks like a good summary of lots of evidence to start a search from, if debris, dust, human remains, memorabilia, clean-up operations etc. interest you.


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    Usage http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
    Topics 911, Debris, Ground Zero, 9/11, WTC, collapse, demolition, dust, World Trade Center, September 11th, terrorist attacks, false flag
    Language English
    Extreme ruin, say engineers, architects, ironworkers, and FDNY. NYPD Deputy Inspector and lead investigator on-site (working with FBI) at Fresh Kills Landfill, James Luongo, when asked if there were one particular artifact of interest, replied:
    "I think the lack of artifacts stands out to me quite a bit. I think the fact that I haven't seen a door, I haven't seen a phone, I haven't seen a computer. I haven't seen a doorknob. I think that stands out."
    - "Relics from the Rubble" (History, 2002)

    "When you look at where the towers used to stand, there is surprisingly so little rubble. Where did all the rubble go?" 
    - ABC News anchor Peter Jennings to on-scene reporter George Stephanopoulos 9/12/2001 at 12:44 p.m.

    Official investigations have failed. Evidence was destroyed - specifically the steel. Black boxes from the two planes were never officially found. Why?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150609105419/http://www.911conspiracy.tv/pdf/9-11_Debris_An_Investigation_of_Ground_Zero_by_Matt_Nelson.pdf

    Leslie Crofford Daniel M. Plesse Heres some of my list on EQ......EARTHQUAKE, SHAKING, WAVE FLOOR RUMBLING
    Berntsen We heard the building start shaking looked up into the Marriot…saw just black dust coming down p 4 Walked store to store,came out between num 1 and number 9 line. Exit that comes out of exterior 5,middle Vesey, between Church & W Broadway p 5. Found guy at gap store p 6
    Combo******************
    Connelly Felt ground shake…looked up….tower top falling down WTC 1 p 7 
    Cruthers 10 second delay p 4
    Curran P all of a sudden, ground started shaking p 11 
    Davila Rfelt the ground. Deep sound laying platform train coming, as a WAVE
    Davis K 2nd building just started to come down, feel the rumble in the ground…can’t be the train p6
    Deshore, 
    ELLIOT S TOWER hot air came up stairwell google. Wall split from the bottom up
    Fortis Ground shaking then 2 down HC
    Combo Like an EQ, a roar p 12
    Holowach rumbling sound 70h floor p5
    Hoppey we heard the rumble looked up black cloud, thinking secondary X, much lower where the plane had gone in p5 thought outward, not imploding p6
    Julien ground shook………...
    Jonas, 
    Kozlowski a big giant tremble felt mini earthquake p 5. 
    ST collapsing p5
    Larracco the building started shaking. It was like a wave in the floor and a real loud noise p 20. 
    Mann Shortly before first tower came down i remember feeling ground shaking p 5. p 6
    Murphy K floor started to shake and sway, thrown off their feet thought bombs p 20
    Penn ground shake towers sway then come down HC
    Ruiz floor jumping shaking not like EQ shaking side to side oh no B going to fall down p 11, floor trembling dirt, sand shifting from side to side jumping. p13 too
    Smiouskas It looked like an earthquake. The ground was shaking…..I’ thinking a bomb blew up. I’m thinking it could of been a nuclear. I didn’t know what was going on. p9.
    Sweeting You heard big boom, quiet 10 seconds hear another one p 10 Now realize floors stacking. Spaced apart in beg then term roar and rumble p 10 rag doll p 11
    Yakimovich saw WTC 1 move a little bit. Started to run and jumped under 16 truck then the 2nd collapse hit p5
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    Leslie Crofford Daniel M. Plesse CBS News correspondent Carol Marin witnesses what she describes as a “gigantic fireball” coming from the base of the North Tower as it starts to collapse. [USA Today, 9/11/2001; Chicago Sun-Times, 9/12/2001; Daily Herald (Arlington Heights), 9/11/2002] Marin headed to the scene of the attacks and arrived on West Street after the South Tower collapsed. She then sees the second tower come down, later describing, “I was only a block or two away from the North Tower when the street trembled under my feet, a fireball of pooled jet fuel exploded out of the building’s base, and it too, unbelievably, started to collapse right in front of me.” [Chicago Sun-Times, 9/10/2006] (However, the explosion could not be due to “pooled jet fuel,” as, according to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, “The jet fuel” from the planes “was mostly consumed within the first few minutes after impact.” [National Institute of Standards and Technology, 6/18/2004; New York Times, 4/5/2005] ) In one telling, Marin describes, “a roar seemed to come out of the earth,” causing the fireball. [Gilbert et al., 2002] In another, she says, “there was a roar, an explosion, and we could see coming toward us a ball of flame, stories high.” She runs, and a firefighter throws her against a building to protect her. She recalls, “The flame somehow stopped short of us.” [CBS News, 2002, pp. 54] Other witnesses also describe the ground shaking before the North Tower collapse (see Shortly Before 10:28 a.m. September 11, 2001). And some witnesses similarly report seeing a fireball at ground level coming from the South Tower when it collapsed (see Shortly Before 9:59 a.m. September 11, 2001).

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NMCC was on that net and hearing everything at FAA

NMCC was on that net and hearing everything at FAA and so no formal communication was required the 9/11 Commission was a scam




Monte Belger, FAA Acting Deputy Administrator on 9/11, said: `Prior to 9/11, the procedures for managing a traditional hijacked aircraft were in place and pretty well tested. . . . It was my assumption that morning, as it had been for my thirty years of experience with the FAA. that the NMCC was on that net and hearing everything real-time ... In my thirty years of history, there was always somebody listening to that net ... it is a fact — there were military people on duty at the FAA Command Center, as Mr. Sliney said. They were participating in what was on." 293

The military's 46 drills thus Military added smoke into the system

NORAD’s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) runs a training exercise called Fertile Rice "scenario of Osama bin Laden attacking a prominent target in the Washington, DC, area, using an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV)
"Gradually — and still before 9/11 — NORAD was assigned additional missions and responsibilities. Among these, the support of counter-drugs operations, including the tracking of small aircraft entering or operating within the U.S. and Canada. Commercial aircraft were not perceived to be a threat then ...
So during the 2001 "summer of threat" they changed the Hijack Protocol  
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction CJCSI 3610.01A (dated 1 June 2001) was issued for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." This new instruction superseded CJCSI 3610.01 of 31 July 1997. Reference D refers to Department of Defense Directive 3025.15 (Feb. 18, 1997) which allows for commanders in the field to provide assistance to save lives in an emergency situation -- BUT any requests involving "potentially lethal support" (including "combat and tactical vehicles, vessels or aircraft; or ammunition") must still be approved by the Secretary of Defense. So again, the ability to respond to a hijacking in any meaningful fashion, is stripped from the commanders in the field.


 
Interestingly, only three months before 9/11, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued Joint Staff Instruction CVJCSI 3610.01A, instructing NORAD on how to deal with “AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE OBJECTS.”
Monte Belger, FAA Acting Deputy Administrator on 9/11, said: `Prior to 9/11, the procedures for managing a traditional hijacked aircraft were in place and pretty well tested. . . . It was my assumption that morning, as it had been for my thirty years of experience with the FAA. that the NMCC was on that net and hearing everything real-time ... In my thirty years of history, there was always somebody listening to that net ... it is a fact — there were military people on duty at the FAA Command Center, as Mr. Sliney said. They were participating in what was on." 293

 After her testimony FAA director Jane Garvey suspected ....
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