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The health issues was due to many toxic elements in the air, including asbestos from WTC building, thermite elements, and carbon nanotubes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2854726/pdf/ehp-118-499.pdf There was no radiation, there was no nuclear weapons What are these aluminum and magnesium silicates? "Of the patients with interstitial disease, all had large amounts of aluminum and magnesium silicates in an unusual platy configuration, ranging from 27,600 to 184,000/g wet weight of lung. As a comparison, we reexamined for the presence of CNT in 40 samples taken from unrelated workers from diverse construction trades suspected for asbestos-related disease. These patients were known to have been exposed to asbestos, and most of these 40 patients had a high lung burden of asbestosfibers. Less than 10%, however, had platy aluminum and magnesium silicates similar to those seen in WTC patients. Furthermore when they were seen in the control samples, they were present in small quantities (< 1,000/g wet weight of lung)." |
They keep saying "less then". Never found anyplace else would be better. At the end of this PDF they say
" Recently, however, small numbers of Carbon NanoTubes have been identified in control specimens from the tri-state area (New York, New Jersey, Connecticut) at minimal concentrations (Gordon R, unpublished data). These might originate in the combustion engines of automobiles (Lam et al. 2006)."
Yep good old "combustion engines of automobiles" explain iron micro spheres in the air and 5.87% of the dust. "They might" but no tests done and never will? iron micro spheres are evidence of vaporized iron
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" that for thyroid cancer was 3.12 (95% CI 2.04-4.57)"
Could the thyroid cancer be caused by this little device ?
Could the thyroid cancer be caused by this little device ?
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6. The HTA arson (thermite) problem was widely reported before 9/11 defined as "rocket fuel" but somehow 9/11 Truthers just can't connect the dots back to these pre 9/11 dated reports. The Narrative can't go back in time?
6. The HTA arson (thermite) problem was widely reported before 9/11 defined as "rocket fuel" but somehow 9/11 Truthers just can't connect the dots back to these pre 9/11 dated reports. The Narrative can't go back in time?
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Everyone should have this guy John Gross in their wallet point out clear HTA arson maybe the Gov will piece it together from that photo.
9/11 NIST Banned Videos: Flowing Lava and Thermite Reactions
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/study2014/sscistudy1.pdf
Mark Basile 2014 Report Verse NIST James Millette
Mark Basile HTA Arson 9/11 Progress Report , August 2014
http://aneta.org/markbasile_org/study/mark_basile_project_status_august_2014.pdf
The HTA arson (thermite) problem was widely reported before 9/11 and was defined as "rocket fuel" but somehow the public just can't connect the dots back to these pre 9/11 dated reports. Why can't the narrative can't go back in time and pick up the issues again?
No worries, I am here to save the day.
At the end I provide a dumb down version of what HTA Arson is and what it all means and how it connects to 9/11 for the common folk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KssL7vXT-Ck
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Re: 9/11 HTA Reaction filmed by FEMA
Posted by: SCarman (IP Logged)
Date: October 28, 2011 06:27AM
In the early 1990s, quite a stir arose in the fire investigation community about the idea of High Temperature Accelerants being used in and around Seattle. Though the investigators there didn't know what they were facing, they put out a video detailing four fires that had aspects that they didn't understand and that they felt endangered firefighters. One result was that a team of investigators from places such as Sandia National Labs, Lawrence Livermore Labs, private firms in and around the Seattle area and others tested a theory that the materials found at various fire scenes might have been in large part, metal fuels with solid oxidizers. The result was that a few got ahold of this and started touting a theory that the "mob" was running around with "rocket fuel" and starting fires.
A test fire was set in Puyallup, Washington in an abandoned store that I recall was around 14,000 sq. feet. Several 5-gallon buckets of such metallic/oxidizer mixes (each of which I recall weighed more than 50 lbs.) were placed in the building and ignited remotely. The result was that the large, open building transitioned into flashover in a few minutes. The test was successful in showing such a mix could work to envelop a large volume building in fire in a short time. If my memory serves me correctly, the ceiling of the building was exposed wood. An important point that many who watched the video missed is that the overall contribution to the energy release was mostly from the wood, not the metal/oxidizer mix.
What followed that test were claims of HTA fires happening all around the country. The Wall Street Journal even had an article on the front page (I believe it was in early- to mid-1994) questioning whether a massive conspiracy existed throughout the country. A sub-headline even stated something like, "Space flight may offer an answer".
After subsequently examining investigative records of around 25 fires, I found that only 4 seemed to suggest traits of a fire that might have involved fuels that could support high temperatures. Interestingly enough, none of the four fires had characteristics very similar to one another. One may have used a commercially available thermite mix, one left behind traces of a mix of various metals such as magnesium, manganese, copper, perhaps cobalt, and others, one was in a metal plating operation containing various kinds of ionic mixes.
There's no doubt that the correct mixture of metal fuels and solid oxidizers can act as an intense "match" causing high temperature reactions, but there is no known evidence that the use of such materials has reached huge proportions as claimed. Also, the materials involved in such fires are quickly consumed and would not be expected to survive days of water application only to ignite later in small displays such as those shown in that video.
A: Yes.
The photograph of the plume that occurred approximately one hour into the fire was not the only evidence upon which the expert relied, though his reliance on the chemical analysis was certainly misplaced.
The chemical analysis found large quantities of calcium carbonate and small quantities of aluminum oxide. From this it was hypothesized that the HTA mixture was calcium sulfate (plaster of Paris) and metallic aluminum powder. No metallic aluminum was found, despite a diligent search. Some calcium sulfate was identified, but this is a component of wallboard, concrete and cinder blocks.
In consultation with a chemist, it was hypothesized that the following series of chemical reactions took place:
CaSO4 + 2 Al ---> CaO + Al2O3+S
(Calcium sulfate + aluminum powder reacts to give calcium oxide + aluminum oxide + sulfur + lots of heat)
CaO + H2O ---> Ca(OH)2
(Calcium oxide, also known as lime, reacts with water to give calcium hydroxide)
Ca(OH)2 + CO2 ---> CaCO3 + H2O,
(Calcium hydroxide absorbs carbon dioxide from the air to make calcium carbonate + water)
thus explaining the presence of the calcium carbonate. While this complicated reaction is certainly possible, there was no evidence to support it, particularly when one considers that calcium carbonate constitutes approximately 25% of wood ash. A more appropriate interpretation of the finding of calcium carbonate would be the following chemical reaction:
Wood + Fire ---> White Ash (25% CaCO3).
The wood ash exhibited a slightly elevated concentration of barium compounds, but that was to be expected as the samples had been exposed to rain and snow for 6 months prior to collection, reducing the relative concentration of the more soluble calcium compounds.
Elemental analysis of wood ash is not a common fire investigative procedure, but if one plans to rely on it to prove that a fire is somehow not "normal," one should at least conduct a literature search to find out what is actually "normal." Failing to do the literature search, and being presented with test results that were capable of being interpreted to the advantage of either side, the expert in this case chose to rely upon only that interpretation favoring the side by which he was employed.
The kind of interpretation put forward by the expert in this case is typical of fire investigations that reach incorrect conclusions: data that is commonplace is presented as evidence that something uncommon happened.
John Lentini, CFI, D-ABC
Fire Investigation Consultant
Florida Keys
[www.firescientist.com]
A test fire was set in Puyallup, Washington in an abandoned store that I recall was around 14,000 sq. feet. Several 5-gallon buckets of such metallic/oxidizer mixes (each of which I recall weighed more than 50 lbs.) were placed in the building and ignited remotely. The result was that the large, open building transitioned into flashover in a few minutes. The test was successful in showing such a mix could work to envelop a large volume building in fire in a short time. If my memory serves me correctly, the ceiling of the building was exposed wood. An important point that many who watched the video missed is that the overall contribution to the energy release was mostly from the wood, not the metal/oxidizer mix.
What followed that test were claims of HTA fires happening all around the country. The Wall Street Journal even had an article on the front page (I believe it was in early- to mid-1994) questioning whether a massive conspiracy existed throughout the country. A sub-headline even stated something like, "Space flight may offer an answer".
After subsequently examining investigative records of around 25 fires, I found that only 4 seemed to suggest traits of a fire that might have involved fuels that could support high temperatures. Interestingly enough, none of the four fires had characteristics very similar to one another. One may have used a commercially available thermite mix, one left behind traces of a mix of various metals such as magnesium, manganese, copper, perhaps cobalt, and others, one was in a metal plating operation containing various kinds of ionic mixes.
There's no doubt that the correct mixture of metal fuels and solid oxidizers can act as an intense "match" causing high temperature reactions, but there is no known evidence that the use of such materials has reached huge proportions as claimed. Also, the materials involved in such fires are quickly consumed and would not be expected to survive days of water application only to ignite later in small displays such as those shown in that video.
A: Yes.
The photograph of the plume that occurred approximately one hour into the fire was not the only evidence upon which the expert relied, though his reliance on the chemical analysis was certainly misplaced.
The chemical analysis found large quantities of calcium carbonate and small quantities of aluminum oxide. From this it was hypothesized that the HTA mixture was calcium sulfate (plaster of Paris) and metallic aluminum powder. No metallic aluminum was found, despite a diligent search. Some calcium sulfate was identified, but this is a component of wallboard, concrete and cinder blocks.
In consultation with a chemist, it was hypothesized that the following series of chemical reactions took place:
CaSO4 + 2 Al ---> CaO + Al2O3+S
(Calcium sulfate + aluminum powder reacts to give calcium oxide + aluminum oxide + sulfur + lots of heat)
CaO + H2O ---> Ca(OH)2
(Calcium oxide, also known as lime, reacts with water to give calcium hydroxide)
Ca(OH)2 + CO2 ---> CaCO3 + H2O,
(Calcium hydroxide absorbs carbon dioxide from the air to make calcium carbonate + water)
thus explaining the presence of the calcium carbonate. While this complicated reaction is certainly possible, there was no evidence to support it, particularly when one considers that calcium carbonate constitutes approximately 25% of wood ash. A more appropriate interpretation of the finding of calcium carbonate would be the following chemical reaction:
Wood + Fire ---> White Ash (25% CaCO3).
The wood ash exhibited a slightly elevated concentration of barium compounds, but that was to be expected as the samples had been exposed to rain and snow for 6 months prior to collection, reducing the relative concentration of the more soluble calcium compounds.
Elemental analysis of wood ash is not a common fire investigative procedure, but if one plans to rely on it to prove that a fire is somehow not "normal," one should at least conduct a literature search to find out what is actually "normal." Failing to do the literature search, and being presented with test results that were capable of being interpreted to the advantage of either side, the expert in this case chose to rely upon only that interpretation favoring the side by which he was employed.
The kind of interpretation put forward by the expert in this case is typical of fire investigations that reach incorrect conclusions: data that is commonplace is presented as evidence that something uncommon happened.
John Lentini, CFI, D-ABC
Fire Investigation Consultant
Florida Keys
[www.firescientist.com]
For Example
Rocket fuel fires, and firefighter arsonist - Firehouse.com Apr 6, 2001 - 12 posts - 8 author
Fire Left A Huge Puzzle - Orlando Sentinel
High-tech Arson Eyed . - Google News
HIGH-TECH ARSON FIRES STUMPING INVESTIGATORS
Hta Report Oct 1994 - Carman and Associates Fire
The Wall Street Journal a few days reported a plague of high intensity
arson fires. One researcher thought they were jet fuel. But I think it
was some sort of metal fire for it razes the building in a matter of
minutes. It turns concrete into glass and melts iron beams. What was
the cause?
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The Wall Street Journal a few days reported a plague of high intensity
arson fires. One researcher thought they were jet fuel. But I think it
was some sort of metal fire for it razes the building in a matter of
minutes. It turns concrete into glass and melts iron beams. What was
the cause?
arson fires. One researcher thought they were jet fuel. But I think it
was some sort of metal fire for it razes the building in a matter of
minutes. It turns concrete into glass and melts iron beams. What was
the cause?
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I could probably get the high temperatures and concrete and steel melting
by using thermite with calcium, silicon, and aluminum metals and iron
oxide. It would indicate its use by the lack of gypsum in the concrete and
the mixing of the steel and concrete (no obvious source of the large
amount of iron).
I could probably get the high temperatures and concrete and steel melting
by using thermite with calcium, silicon, and aluminum metals and iron
oxide. It would indicate its use by the lack of gypsum in the concrete and
the mixing of the steel and concrete (no obvious source of the large
amount of iron).
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