Monday, October 6, 2014

Booted from The Worldwide 9/11 Grass Roots Truth Movement

Booted from "The Worldwide 9/11 Grass Roots Truth Movement"
Why? Asking advanced questions
i.e What was the Rumbling on 9/11? Before Impacts! Before Collapse!
1. Normal Explosions
2. Big Explosions
3. frequency oscillator (Tesla's oscillator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla's_oscillator)

"Earthquake" claims[edit]
In 1935 at his annual birthday party/press meeting a 79 year old Tesla related a story where he claimed a version of his mechanical oscillator caused extreme vibrations in structures and even an earthquake in downtown New York City

What was the Rumbling on 9/11? Before Impacts! Before Collapse!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3SlIPSOlk

9/11 Dr. Rousseau is an expert on measurement of acoustic waves
http://youtu.be/ZO7EBTAGA1M

Photos of Giant World Trade Center Void 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSdeGreC6IM

Photos of World Trade 4, 5, 6 and WTC 7 NIST FOIA Release 7 Richard Rutkowsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfeyBbGW8wc

  • Caroline Fifi Hi Dan Plesse, we have a policy of not posting theories of DEW, nukes, holograms or no planes hitting the towers. Our goal is to keep the page full of the most basic facts and physics re: 9/11. We don't discourage anyone from investigating these theories but since our goal is to market the truth to newcomers, we want to stick to the basics.  Thank you.
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    • Mike Serour Yes Kevin he is and has been for quite sometime now. In my opinion, this conversation that was posted spends more time cutting each other down instead of simply having a civil conversation and a civil disagreement. But I suppose swearing at each other and calling each other names is the new way to get your educated point across............smh
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    • Dan Plesse Mike Serour I never did any of things however all of those things were done to me and I do agree with you however the civil conversation with the Truth Movement rarely happens or the topic is avoided completely which you have just done. Michael Lurie was the guy who  "spends more time cutting" me down. 
      I asked him about the rumbling and he said it was explosions which does not explain the S-waves which were not generated in other explosions at the tower in 1993.


    Executive Summary: Ken Doc uses the official theory about the seismic singles i.e the cause was do to the building falling over, impacts etc. Even though he knows and provided links to  the Rousseau paper yet still he thinks [nuclear] explosives are out of the question, until much later and he names RDX as the cause..  Then he said "Rousseau paper was [about] the explosions before collapse" which means Rousseau was not talking about the same seismic singles as LDEO or had little to do with LDEO report which is complete fraud. I also asked him about the missing epicenter data and he said "you are looking too much into things creating frauds along the way" i.e don't look too closely is EXACTLY what the criminals want you to do! Ken Doc is going EXACTLY that.

Facebook Chat with Ken Doc

23 hours ago
Photos of Giant World Trade Center Void 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSdeGreC6IM

Photos of World Trade 4, 5, 6 and WTC 7 NIST FOIA Release 7 Richard Rutkowsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfeyBbGW8wc

Do you have this photo of the void?
Photos of Giant World Trade Center Nuclear Void 9/11
www.youtube.com
14 hours ago

So Dan. You've jumped on the nuke train now? lol
about an hour ago
Seismic spike and WTC debris removal / disposal was going to be placed out to sea. Also human car witness Ricki DeSantis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3g4SGTBJTw
all things to consider along with high rates of cancer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG552_a9tWo
World Trade Center 9 11 Missing Asbestos and Mesothelioma
www.youtube.com

Ricki Desantis does not suffer from radiation poison. You spin everything Dan. Are you an agent or just a useful idiot? Seriously.
Who set up the human car wash? For what reason? Why were they going too the remains of the world trade into the sea. Why does LDEO refuse to give out detail like the epicenter data? Why don't ask any of these questions?

You didn;t answer my question.

Are you a real truther or do you just speculate about everything?
Answer the above. Speculate? On what?

I have caught you spreading false information dozens and dozens of times. You fail to correct yourself. This puts you in the category of disinfo.
Like what , what are you talking about?
NEW Witness 2011 #1
"Then all the sudden I get hit with a blast of heat like I was being burnt in an oven — like a sun’s rays just hitting you "
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/09/his_job_was_to_keep_the_world.html
Once in charge of keeping the World Trade Center safe, security expert remains troubled by past...
www.nj.com

"MSM Accidentally Airs Incriminating 9/11 Evidence"

A nuke blast would have killed him you fool
I corrected that video you asshole.

Dude, it's not just that video.... it's 50% of everything you post

you speculate on everything and provide no real facts at all
That was years ago .

Your Smoking Guns page is pure BS too.
Like what?

Should be called Smoking Speculation

I dont have time for people like you. You don't even know the harm you have caused this movement
Why don't answer my questions?

Goinf around trying to prove NT with BS arguments.... now you are hopping on board the Nuke train. Dude, you are messed up.
What is with divide bullshit


You think that proves anything?

Dude you cant ignote NT with a candle flame

You are your own worst enemy
I did, it ignited
What about this document.

You have access to military grade nano Thermite, LOL
No but who does ?

LLNL and Los Alamos

but you just said you ignited it
what is LLNL

no you are saying you don;t have access to NT, so what is it Dan?

What is LLNL? omg
omg you don't answer anything.
originally I was asking about that photo -

What you lit on fire I dont know what it was but it was not NT. I'd put $100 on that

It can cut through steel like butter but not wood. LOL

I dont answer your questions because they are pointless

you speculate on everything Dan and then call it a "smoking gun"
It was your basic iron and aluminum.

You can;t ignite NT with a flame dude
You don't answer because you don't know.

I rely on facts Dan.

Stop wasting everyones time with your assumptions
Your facts like what?

Answer me one question.... was it NT with the aid of explosives... or was it mini nukes
What kind of explosives do you think they used then?

Answer my question first

was it NT or Mini nukes?
What created the body parts map?

answer my question Dan...

NT or mini nukes
NT is to cut and weaken and epicenter data is between the towers .
You never even looked for the epicenter data not one day in you 9/11 life?
Is that correct?

NT or Nukes dan?
NT and something else

if you dont answer my question for the third time, consider the convesration done.

is that something else a nuke dan?

because you are certainly pushing that theory lately
I did answer? YES earthquakes say so.
remember those ?

Earthquakes? whaaat

there were no earth quakes in NYC on 9/11
What ?

You have been watching too much Simon Shack bs

What earthquakes are you taling about?
Look at the photo you idiot .

I've looked at seismic data

what earthquake

The towers beeing destroyed would set off Seismic data
Same thing

so a tower "collapsing" is the same as an earthquake? You for real dude
You are agreeing with official theory?
are you agreeing with the shills

LOL
you are total joke

What earthquake took place on 9/11

show me
I just did

so that proves an earthquake happend in NYC?
you got to grow up
YES

you need to stop specualting on bs that makes us look nuts

there was no Earthquake in NYC on 9/11

are you joinign forces with Judy Wood or something?

her and her Hurricanes. lol

Just so I understand you correctly.... you are trying to say that an Earthquake happend in NYC on 9/11? yes or no
Dr. Andre Rousseau says seismic activity was explosions
Yes witnesses said the ground was moving.

500,000 tons of steel falling on the ground will do that. lol

You see what you do Dan..... you take information, twist it around and come up with your own tehories.
no complete building fell you moron.
9/11 Rumbling Reports and Witnesses Right Before Impact and WTC Collapse
www.youtube.com

Dr. Andre Rousseau say an Earthquake happened in NYC on 9/11? lol

Does he Dan?
No Dr. Andre Rousseau says the earthquake was do to explosions.

well then stop sing the word Earthquake

what the fuck is wrong with you dude
earthquakes

stop using that term.
what the fuck is wrong with you?

you are promoting nukes, thats my problem dude
You seem so stupid to me now - agreeing with official shills

you show me a body parts map and claim it was nukes or soemthing

Do you even know who I am. I do not promote the official story
Body parts just has bodt parts

I aslo dont promote specualtive theories like nukes, Holograms and space beams

yet you are oipne to all of these theories
You sound like official story scum bag

yes, explosions caused body parts to hurl throguh the air Dan.
1,000 of people are still missing.
what caused to rumbling Ken?

they were blown to bits and pieces dude
Answer one question.

many witnesses claim lobby and sub level explosions dan
stop saying dude.
what causes witness beyond that area

huh?
to talk and rumbling?
Do you know what epicenter information is?

do you not agree that 500,000 tons of steel hiting the ground is going to be quiet?

I dont understand what you are trying to say and I dont think you do either

just keep talking out your ass.
No you idiot - rumbling happen BEFORE the building fell ,

yes i know waht epicenter is
So no I don't agree with that BS

undergound bombs going off Dan

come on man

I just said that

Dont respond to me anymore. stop wasting my time
Do you have the epicenter for the signals. ?

You want seismic readings?

I have that
no the floating point numbers. for each epicenter point.

Dan, if you think the underground "rumbling" was from an Earthquake.... then you are a lost cause
answer the question.

you are looking too much into things creating frauds along the way
looking too far ?

let me show you the info I have on the Seismic readings
you don't have anything do you?
rumbling were felt in NJ too.

SEISMIC DATA

Were Explosives the Source of the Seismic Signals Emitted from New
York on September 11, 2001?
http://www.journalof911studies.com/resources/RousseauVol34November2012.pdf

"The seismic signals propagating from New York on September 11, 2001, recorded at Palisades (34 km) and published by the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University (LDEO), have here been subjected to a new critical study concerning their sources. The aim of this paper is to demonstrate that the nature of the waves, their velocities, frequencies, and magnitudes invalidate the official explanations which imply as sources the percussion of the twin towers by planes and the collapses of the three buildings, WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7."

Seismic Evidence Implies Controlled Demolition on 9/11
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/12/seismic-evidence-prove-controlled-demolition-on-911.html
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Seismic Waves Generated by Aircraft Impacts and Building Collapses
at World Trade Center, New York City.
http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/Eq/20010911_WTC/WTC_LDEO_KIM.pdf

"Collapses of the two WTC towers generated large seismic waves, observed in five states and up to 428 km away. The North Tower collapse was the largest seismic source and had local magnitude ML 2.3. From this we infer that ground shaking of the WTC towers was not a major contributor to the collapse or damage to surrounding buildings, but unfortunately we also conclude that from the distance at which our own detections were made (the nearest station is 34 km away at Palisades, N.Y.) it is not possible to infer (with detail sufficient to meet the demands of civil engineers in an emergency situation) just what the near-in ground motions must have been."
---------
911 Eyewitness - Seismic data shows explosive peaks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDqIZZR_nn8

TOWERS: Seismic Evidence and Molten Steel
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm

Seismic Proof – 9/11 Was An Inside Job
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/print.asp?ID=5496

Seismic Evidence
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/seismic.html

SOUND ANALYSIS

Project Truth (WTC) - Sip 2.8 (Part1) No Sound Claim (Eyewintesses)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW9U8t9c5lw

Project Truth (WTC) - Sip 2.8 (Part2) No Sound Claim (Audio Comparisons)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3aKzAVZobs&

"This means that the closer the proximity of each detonation the harder it becomes to distinguish one blast from another."

NOTES: My point is that the reason why we don't hear loud distinct popping sounds is because the proximity of each detonation is so closely spread out that it sounds like a roaring sound moreso than a pop. I've also considered the possibility that the Towers were also fully furnished and would hide the blasts more. Whereas in other demo's, the buildings are fully gutted, windows removed, with no sound insulation to decrease the volume of each blast.
-------- NRT Is this the world's longest demolition (Bridge)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukut5HkQL8
(Listen for the quick short intervals)
--------
The sound of the twin tower collapses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_GpPdgAGwk&

911 Eyewitness - Sound analysis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy2RoMb9AAY&
---------
9/11 WTC Rare Video of First Plane Attack - WNYW TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEmAWaKoYQ
---------
The sound of the twin tower collapses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_GpPdgAGwk
-----------
Sounds of explosions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A9X_8flGeM

You dont' have shit

you think your one little photo proves Eartquakes opr soem shit

Go do some more research

I just gave you good info. Go look through it
www.journalof911studies.com
www.journalof911studies.com

and for crying out loud, go reserach LLNL!

Rousseau does NOT CLIAM erathquakes dude

YOU CLAIM EARTHQUAKES
You disagreed with Rousseau

I DID NOT

fuck off Dan
he does not agree with your 500,000 moron ideas

I asked you if Rousseau claimed Earthquakes

Does he

you dont think 500,000 tons of building materials is going to create rumblins

lol
that's not the issue - its a strawman from a moron

You took Rousseaus research and twisted it

and claim earthquakes

you dont even see the hard you are doing

harm
No one agree with you . You don't even read you own links i.e /Rousseau

Does Rousseau claim Erathquaeks, yes or no

YES OR NO?
so stupid. You sounds nuts with earthquakes

OMG, you said Earthquakes dude

not me
that's a strawman you idiot
the point is he believes in explosives

I did not mention Erathquakes and neither does Rousseau..... you said it.

i BELIEVE IN EXPLOSIONS

come on dude
Not the point to idiot

have you not been following me

you think I sdupport the official story
Well yes

you are either nuts or have not heard a single thing I have said since 2005.
why 500,000 ton moron idea is the official theory

did each tower contain 500,000 tons of steel

yes or no
Rousseau agrees with me and not you YES or NO?
Read the first link again you moron.
and stop researching this topic. you clearly suck. Looking too closely - what a stupid gatekeeper shill.

Rousseau does not cliam nukes nor earthquakes

he does not agree wiht you
That was the issue was it?
That was never the issue.
Why do you manufacture issues?
Who fucking does that?

"These values match those registered from an earthquake or seismic prospecting (see for
example Kim et al. 2001)."

"What else but an explosion could be the origin for this seismic wave in the absence of an
earthquake? A similar discrepancy exists in the data for the seismic wave and impact
times for WTC2."

He does not say it was an Earthgquake does he?

but you want to claim that Rouseeau says it was an Erathquake

you can;t comprehedn too well can you?
Rouseeau said explosives caused the ground movement

THANK YOU
""What else but an explosion could be the origin for this seismic wave"

I agree

because it wasn't an Erathqwuake

whcih you are implying
NOT you moron 500,000 moron concept

but thats not waht Rouseeau claims is it

Let's look at that "strawman".... you dont think 500,000 tons of steel will create seismic data, yes or no?
YES NO Rouseeau agrees with me and not your moron idea.

round in circles dude
dude stop saying dude

I believe the towers were blown up with NT and explosives

if you dont know that about me, then you have not followed me at all.

if you looked at my fact sheet, you would have already know that I support the CD hypothesis
500,000 if it fell side ways you idiot

deris was spread out over a 600' radius you idiot
right

Dan, Im not here to argue with you

I just want you to stop posting misinfomration
you seem stupid

9/11 was an inside job.
stop you stupidness
Rouseeau said explosives caused the ground movement
spread out theory works against you

fine Dan..... but it wasnt a nuke was it

But yet you are promoting the "nuclear void"
Uranium in the dust? What?
The concentration of Uranium is a key. This is slightly too high in the dust and much too high in the girder coatings. The activities for 2.7, 3.2, 4.7 and 7.57 are 33, 40, 58 and 93Bq/kg. The graph shows that there is too much U on the girder coatings. Normal levels of U are about 12, at most 40Bq/kg

tell me where Rousseau says it was a nuke
what else could it be you idiot ?

so you think it was a nuke, yes or no
its not you idiot theory of a building

I just want to hear you say it

Nuke, yes or no?
A & C did tabulate things like Uranium in the dust, but made no effort to explain its presence, let alone that this, along with correlation between other elements, was a recipe for nuclear methods. Glaring omissions.
Uranium in the dust? What? | Taking back the Narrative
investigatesandyhook.blogspot.com

Exit signs contain Tritium and Uranium.
Idiot exit signs stupid

you got the chemicals all wrong

are you disagreeing that exit signs do not contain tritium

"Self-luminous EXIT signs containing the radioactive gas tritium are widely used in a variety of facilities across the United States, such as public and private office buildings, theaters, stores, schools, and churches - anywhere the public needs a rapid exit path. Those who possess tritium EXIT signs in Michigan are general licensees of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) and are subject to certain reporting and handling requirements, including proper disposal of unwanted or unused signs."
Topic was DU you idiot
gas tritium floats away in the air you idiot

omg, but yet dust samples contain high levels of Tritium

it's in the esit signs

this is a fact
right which means another source

the towers probably had 100's and 1000's of these exit signs

yet, you claim it's proof of nukes now
The source was in building 6

you see my problem Dan

Every building in America has exit signs, lol
building 6 had the test .

Show me the blueprints for 6

I bet you cant

ive looked for years
exit signs were vaporized and a non issue.

It would explain alot

find me the bb for building 6

theres your homework assignment

bp
you can't find or look for the epicenter data.

as in blueprints

I just shared with you the same info

Rousseau does not claim nukes

you do

This means that Rousseau does not Garee with you
500,000 ton moron Rousseau would have to agree you moron. Why don't you ask him
Did he rule out nukes? YES or NO

Rousseau's study is only the on the rumblings before the towers collapse

you do realize this right

Yes, he rules out nukes
No he did not.

Seismic evidence implies Explosives

not nukes
omg
what kind of explosives ?

Most likely RDX
can cause those spikes
omg really

Im sure Rousseau has taken tests with nukes before

where are those studies
he didn't not rule out nukes
btw

Retired, former researcher in the French National Center of Scientific Research (CNRS)

show me the other tests he's done when he was at the postiion
total tool

are you saying the Rousseau has never tested seismic data from a nuke before

he has for Earthquakes
you are talking to yourself now manufactoring issues
looking like fool
a fool

You mean you never looked more into what Rousseau did at his former job
first pitch a stupid idea about a 500,000 building that most items can't even be found.

Statement on 9/11: "From the beginning, my skepticism about the official explanation of the Twin Towers collapses turned to spurning it as soon as I saw the videos of the WTC7 collapse, which reminds one of controlled demolition. When I heard that seismic waves had been emitted at the time of the 9/11 events, I looked for reliable data and examined the signals recorded at the Palisades station. The apparently contradictory parameters relative to wave velocities and frequencies were easily explained if we consider that the seismic waves were created by strong explosives. Those explosives could not be triggered other than manually. It is therefore a criminal provocation."

Additional Information: Author of over 50 published papers on the relationships between the characteristics of progressive mechanical waves and geology.

http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/mempages/Rousseau.html
first you pitch stupid idea no one agrees with but NIST and shills

50 Publishesd papers on seismic data
and you claim you are NOT one of them?

have you looked at those 50 papers

This is not about me. I promote AE911.

not NIST not the Govt;s story

you know nothing about me dude
dude you seem to know how to process information correctly.
www.journalof911studies.com
www.journalof911studies.com
Where was Amy Goodman during 9/11?
Chat Conversation End
Answer the question

lol, Amy Goodman was in NY on 9/11.
where in NY

watching the colapse of Building 7
well you got that one.

Dude, I know 9/11 like the back of my hand. I just do not promote speculative theories

Nukes, No Planers, and Space Beamers go on my shit list

you promote everything

thats my main problem with you
You don't know 9/11 Ken. You have the same beliefs as the official theory retards
and those people go my shit list.

w/e dude. go watch my video and tell me if I support teh official story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H2wr0khnJA

Go watch and learn the facts idiot
you already said you agree

You know fuck all abotu me.

FUCK OFF
500,000 ton crap is right out NIST mouth
retard

it's you that thinks 500,000 tons of steel hitting the ground would leave no seismic data

you are an idiot

Rousseau paper was the explosions before collapse

you fail to comprehend
it would if that's what happened.
Rousseau paper is whole thing. he focuses on explosions before collapse.
which can only nuclear demo.

smh

bye Dan.
no RDX has ever cause signals you idiot
not at that distance
not at that distance

idiot

I dont claim it was RDX.

It could have been another type of explosive

there were no nukes in NYC on 9/11.

You have proven once again to be a useful idiot to the disinfo.
If not RDX then What was it?

I said possible RDX

you fucking ididot

"Most likely RDX"

see how you take words and twist them

you do it for everyone.

NOW FUCK OFF
You are protecting a brand and not the truth. i,e disinfo crap

  • Mike Baldwin So sad to see two good truth seekers argue over "unknowns". We should all focus on getting a REAL investigation, so we can find the truth and get justice.
    11 hrs · Like · 2
  • Jason Strope Why would you even post this? You did nothing but make yourself look like someone who has no interest in any facts and truths besides what you think you already know.
    9 hrs · Like
  • Dan Plesse Mike Baldwin There can only be one good truth seeker in this document i.e official theory about the seismic singles is that they caused by the building falling over which is EXACTLY what Ken Doc said. Even though he knows about the Rousseau paper. Then he said "Rousseau paper was [about] the explosions before collapse" which means Rousseau was not talking about the same seismic singles as LDEO was or had little to do with LDEO report which is complete fraud. I

    Ken Doc is not a Truth Seeker, not even close.

    Jason Strope Look up "projection" and "exposed"
    Just now · Edited · Like
  • Lawrence Fine Dan Plesse - take a deep breath - - - some people think they "own the truth". These are not simple equations and until there is an unimpeded REAL independent investigation by EXPERTS who will only study the evidence and be able to make distinctions between REAL eye witnesses and plants the jury is out and yes, there were measurable seismic events - - - some caused by explosives and some by the concussion of MASS falling to earth.
    1 hr · Like
  • Cal Amyotte Dan why are all your posts disinformation?
    But you attempt to provoke frustration and smear people who stand for theories that are a result of facts and forensic evidence based on science.
    Seems clear to me why you post what you do.
    You are muddying the waters of truth and stand for 9/11 DISINFO not TRUTH.
    1 hr · Like
  • Lawrence Fine the point of Rousseau paper was none of the concussion of MASS falling to earth or  planes hitting the tower were the cause of signals.

    Cal Amyotte I am promoting Rousseau paper.
    Just now · Like
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  • Justin Rtcb Smith Well the problem with this video when comparing it to 9/11 is that the towers were not completely on fire like this building was. If somehow the fire melted or vaporized the steal and made the towers fall, at some point it would of encountered resistance. All three towers fell close to the rate of free fall. So that is fairly easy to debunk.
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