Sunday, May 21, 2017

Flight 11 The Dog That Did Not Bark





According to the Tom Brokaw interview with Boston controllers who first noticed problems with Flight 11 they began moving other planes out it's way at 8:20 am and considered it to be a "runaway plane". At that point NORAD NEADS in Rome , New York should have seen on it's own radar scopes what was happening and could monitor the radio transmissions of all the planes being orderded out of the way. 
NORAD at Griffiss AFB was on exactly the flight path Flight 11 had turned toward when it went of it off course which should have raised suspicions with transponder being turned off and all the radio traffic concerning it. None of this should have required a phone call from the FAA.
Since the pilot of Flight 11 was an air force veteran he would have known where NORAD was located and may have still been flying at that point deliberately trying to get NORAD's attention. It makes no sense for the hijackers to have turned northwest when they wanted to go south to New York.
Fighters at Syracuse might not have been "on alert" but could have been sent up within ten minutes in an unarmed mode yet were not. Since a "traditional hijack" did not require a shootdown but merely an intercept and tailing five miles behind why bring in armed fighters from Otis when Syracuse was much closer to Flight 11 and unarmed planes were all that was necessary under standard hijack procedures? Once unarmed fighters were up with on-board targeting radar to lock onto the hijacked planes it would be easy to vector in the armed fighters if necessary.

8:13: Boston Ground control loses contact with Flight 11. First red flag for Flight 11. 8:20: Flight 11 reaches the Hudson River in NY and stops transmitting its 8:20 am and considered it to be a "runaway plane".  Second Red flag IFF signal. third Red flag for Flight 11 RIV M3: 1443

8:24: Hijackers on Flight 11 accidentally broadcasts warning to the passengers over its radio: "Everything will be OK. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet." Third Red Flag for Flight 11 Since Sept. 11, 2001, NORAD fighters have scrambled or diverted from air patrols in the U.S. Northern Command Area of Responsibility more than 2,000 times to respond to possible air threats, and have combined with Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) and air-to-air-refueling aircraft to fly more than 40,000 sorties. At some unknown point after the hijacking begins, Flight 11's talkback button is activated, which enables Boston flight controllers to hear what is being said in the cockpit. It is unclear whether John Ogonowski, the pilot, activates the talkback button, or whether a hijacker accidentally does so when he takes over the cockpit. A controller later says, “The button [is] being pushed intermittently most of the way to New York.” An article later notes that “his ability to do so also indicates that he [is] in the driver's seat much of the way” to the WTC. Such transmissions continue until about 8:38 a.m. [Christian Science Monitor, 9/13/2001MSNBC, 9/15/2001] However, Ogonowski fails to punch a four-digit emergency code into the plane's transponder, which pilots are taught to do the moment a hijack situation is known (see (8:13 a.m.-9:28 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Christian Science Monitor, 9/12/2001CNN, 9/13/2001Boston Globe, 11/23/2001] Hello I am reviewing your "PROTOCOLS FOR RESPONDING TO HIJACKINGS "  http://www.rutgerslawreview.com/2011/4-american-11/#_ednref and I am wondering why at 8:14 ATC directed Flight 11 to take a 20 degrees right taking flight 11 off course and off its intended flight path and into incoming traffic? Why then did ATC only address the communication issue? The issues of flight 11 was having were many and the response seemed muted and based on only one issue i.e the communications issue There seems to be completely blind to the direction i.e heading flying out of control, midair disaster .. So far no one seems bothered by the fact that Flight 11 flying to Canada and directly at NEAS and the 109th Airlift Wing... 8:20 was the time the beacon was lost.  8:14 was both the turn and the last communications.. I still don't know the reason of the 20 degree turn.. controllers shall assign Code 7500 to the aircraft.

 CJCSI 3610.01A - i June 2001: The NORAD Stand Down Order of 9/11" by John Page Interestingly, only three months before 9/11, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued Joint Staff Instruction CVJCSI 3610.01A, instructing NORAD on how to deal with “AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE OBJECTS.” i.e Stand down order "The instruction specified that NORAD will provide “escort service” when requested by “the FAA Hijack Coordinator,” and specifically excluded the “use of military aircraft (fixed-wing or helicopter) or other vehicles as platforms for gunfire or the use of other weapons against suspected hijackers.”   FACT: In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999 Response According to the Calgary Herald, in 2000 there are 425 “unknowns,” where an aircraft’s pilot has not filed or has deviated from a flight plan, or has used the wrong radio frequency, and fighters are scrambled 129 times in response. 

F-15 fighters jets intercepted two planes from Barnes Air National Guard which was 18 miles from flight 11 at 08:16:03 Reinf 2015 

1990-2001: NORAD Regularly Launches Fighters to Intercept Suspicious Aircraft before 9/11


CJCSI 3610.01A - i June 2001: The NORAD Stand Down Order of 9/11
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dorian-de-wind/norads-performance-on-911_b_975812.html http://themoderatevoice.com/did-norad-%E2%80%98conspire%E2%80%99-on-911/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20themoderatevoice%20%28The%20Moderate%20Voice%29 Lieutenant Colonel Kevin Nasypany, mission-crew commander, on the "ops" floor at the Northeast Air Defense Sector Check out the beacon for Flight 175, 11, 77 and 93

Flight 175 beacon


08:23:51 Reinf M3: 1470 08:45:48 Reinf Radar: RIV M3: 1470 08:46:36 Reinf Radar: RIV M3: 3020 midair switch 08:51:24 Reinf Radar: RIV M3: 3321 switch again 08:57:59 Reinf Radar: RIV M3: 3321

Flight 11 beacon

08:12:51 Reinf Radar: RIV M3: 1443 08:20:38 Search Radar: RIV M3: M2: Mode C (ft): Height (ft): 31200 beacon lost remained lost

Flight 93 beacon


08:44:24 Reinf Radar: GIB M3: 1527
09:40:13 Search Radar: DTW M3:  M2:  Mode C (ft):  Height (ft): Altitude (m): 0
09:40 total loss of radar

Flight 77 beacon


08:34:46 Reinf Radar: PLA M3: 6553
08:40:55 Reinf Radar: PLA M3: 3743 beacon switch 
08:50:27 Reinf Radar: PLA M3: 3743 total loss after 8:50

The DOJ documented 904-555-0004 as the number which multiple people called from while on different planes on 9/11.. Thousands of people went missing without a trace.. None of these issue were addressed.. The black boxes were found and looked at by the NTSB and when missing again after the NTSB did look at the data.. So fuck you and your "silly theories" concept.. Flight 175 Fuselage FEMA Gary Steficek verses popular mechanics. https://goo.gl/photos/32T5hwqjnctwGgxK6 9/11 - Firemen Insist Aircraft Black Boxes Were Found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwUfM9Sl1co Cockpit Voice Recorder for UA 93 not made public.. https://youtu.be/817RAobvVvQ popular mechanics "FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states." Response Griffiss Air Force Base, in Rome, New York, which was otherwise mothballed in the mid-90s. neads's mission remained in place and continues today: 

Radar REM

J-55 Z-312 Remsen NY ARSR-4 43°20′43″N 075°14′56″W EADS AEA Eastern New FAA/USAF JSS radar site; replaced Watertown AFS, NY (Z-49). Also called 'Starr Hill. Response " Flight 11 flew right at Northeast Air Defense Squadron on 9/11 in Rome New York and the dog did not bark.. Flew in the wrong direction for 8:14 until 8:26.. Then turned for home near Northeast Air Defense Squadron Rome New York and the 109th Airlift Squadron - Wikipedia did nothing..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QxsDd5yM8U popular mechanics "from cockpit recordings to forensics".. Response The flights were off their flight paths for over 2 hours 6 minutes. We should have exactly 2 hours and 6 minutes of records and we don't.. Total Flying Time by Hijackers on 9/11: 2 hours and 6 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVFhAmrKoGI Passenger windows on a piece of Flight 175's fuselage.. Wrong color to be flight 175.. https://goo.gl/photos/32T5hwqjnctwGgxK6 conclusion every word of popular mechanics is total junk.. http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5654/debunking-911-myths-planes/

911TruthNOW
Its limited to one topic and it does not contain private photos of NTSB, NYPD or any agency like my photo collection... http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2016/03/ntsb-working-together-around-fbi-who.html The document does not ask the right questions.. are all phone calls 904-555-0004 all the time on every plane or only on 9/11? Did ATC light up the targets with 7500 hijack code? Flight 11 Did Not Bark Any Dogs as it flew off its flight plan starting at 8:14 and ATC defended its 20 degrees right turn which just so happens to fly right at Rome NY the home NEADS and military air national guard stations which did nothing. http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2017/05/every-word-of-popular-mechanics.html Why is debris a different state everytime its video taped or photographed https://photos.app.goo.gl/cloWq5dwIcST0bDl2 Why can't employees tell the difference between flight debris? http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2014/08/911-aircraft-on-public-display-does-not.html Why do photos of second plane on video look black and photo look normal? https://photos.app.goo.gl/Kq7OitluOmZYMFx23 Is there a single photo of the black plane? i.e darkened by a random burst of smoke which happens to block out sun at 9:00 A.M at the exact moment identification is required. No photos exist of the plane from all areas in a city of NYPD cameras and choppers on alert. No one asks about the dark chopper following around a circle plane.
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Monday, May 1, 2017

September Explosive Tower Stories 2018

September  Explosive Tower Stories September Explosive Tower Stories 2018

September 11th Explosive Tower Stories 2018

Page 9-10  

       "the whole building shook. I thought it was an earthquake. Then I heard those banging noises. I didn't have much time to be upset because the building shook again, this time even more violently "
 
Page 26
     "Then it happened. The building shook violenty. It was a big tremor. I thought it was an earthquake. But soon after there was a loud explosion somewhere above me. "

Page 32

          "
it's an earthquake, I lost my balance and fell to the floor"
           "Then the next BOOM came"

Page 37

 
"I heard a huge blast, like a bomb had gone off I heard one of the elevators come crashing down Then another big noise"

Page 41

       
"George Sleigh 91st floor. Couldn't see windows or any markings entered the building two floor above.. "

Page 49

     
  "BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! big vibration and the whole tower started to move" first reaction earthquake and then a bomb"

page 62-64

   "They tried to tell me the big explosion that threw me on the floor and knocked out our power was an elevator dropping. I knew better "you think I am a damn fool?" I have been in this building for so many years. I know that is not an elevator falling.


 "suddenly there was a huge explosion. We shook so much that I was thrown off my feet and was slammed hard to the floor. They started telling the elevator dropping. I didn't believe them and neither did they.

"Shopping concourse after leaving I looked at the woman. Her arm was practically gone. She has flesh hanging from her bone. I could see the bone clearly.

Page 106 
   "It felt like an earthquake, but lasted only a couple of seconds. Then there was a secondary shaking"

Heat inside Dust Cloud

 Page 153

     "Then a big cloud of dust fell upon us. There was tremendous heat. More heat. Still More. There was one explosion after another. Afire truck blew up and then a police car and then another police car"

Page 154

     "I found a fireman on the ground. His turnout coat was melted into his flesh. His body was so hot that when I open the coat, My latex gloves melted to my fingers. He was cooked inside"

KABOOMS

Page 165

        "Right then we heard a roar. The roar got even louder. Then everything went black and the wall came crashing down on top of me. I heard KABOOM, Another KABOOM there were a couple more big BOOMS and then it went quiet"

page 168

        "we heard that explosion sound again, we got about 15 feet past it when a cloud of debris wiped us out, I could hear loud booms and there were jets flying overhead"


Big Fire Ball North Tower


Page 179  8:42 outside Banana Republic, 50 feet from the entrance to 1 World Trade Center.

"i started to hear a strange roar. I looked toward the entrance to North Tower and I saw a tremendous fireball rolling out of the lobby. There were even people inside of it almost free-floating in the flames. Then I saw two bright images coming toward me, they were people running and they were on fire, no clothes on just flames.

Alan Reiss (should be on the 88th floor)

Page 187
 
 Whitaker "Do you think it will fall"
   Alan Reiss "It's going to fall" ha said matter of factly.

The combination of the look on his face and the way he said that convinced me tower 1 was about to come down any minute.

There was a sergeant from the NYPD running up West Street shouting that car bombs had been planted. There were explosions everywhere. The steel was so hot when it hit a vehicle it ignited the gasoline"


Page 195 

      "Right outside the window there was a person strapped to an airplane seat"
       "I passed the Banana Republic, got to the Warner Bros. Store and started walking up the escalator when the building began shaking up and down, I drop my bags and went down the stairs. I got hit all over. "


Page 206 

      "After getting far enough away so that we could take a moment to rest, we heard a loud and very scary thunder. Thousands of people ran in every conceivable direction as the South Tower began its plummet"


Others David Achee, Ed Calderson, Salcedo, Bowman, John white

More Research

2001-09-11 13:11:22 Arch [1421665] A ALPHA RtOPS Update #1536 Operation Phoenix - I.S-CDE/CE NE Owner=Core Infrastructure * Operation Phoenix 866-791-7190 Passcode 7508470# Call for 10:00 CT update - activities associated with World Trade Ce http://911.wikileaks.org/files/messag... 2001-09-11 13:11:33 Arch [1421665] A ALPHA 2 of 2 explosions. **Update** Operation Phoenix: 866-791-7190 passcode 7508470# Update at 13:00 CT SIMS 9/11 Pager Intercepts. Operation Phoenix Part 1 9/11 tragedy pager intercepts. http://911.wikileaks.org/

TO 9/11 AND BEYOND: THE ROTHSCHILD-ISRAELI OBSESSION WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS

https://jamesperloff.com/2016/11/22/to-911-and-beyond-the-rothschild-israeli-obsession-with-nuclear-weapons/

Oral History Narrative and Memory Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d582H4vUyGw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIbuhjiPdpY

Sunday, April 30, 2017

Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory (LEDO) Seismic researchers hint at even larger numbers for 9-11

9/11 PAL Station has a missing shock wave








 I think you meant to say was: 9/11 was inside job.. Think about all the people who said they heard and felt explosives only to change their story i.e Mr. Hess WTC7, Marc Desire M.E, Jay Jonas to name a few. The body part map showing body part flew 1,000's of feet. etc missing seismic data and hints of larger seismic recordings i.e cover up Dr. Sykes said the twin tower collapses were slightly larger in destructive energy then 2.4 which is the report maximum for 9/11. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/us/a-day-of-terror-the-measurement-columbia-s-seismographs-log-quake-level-impacts.html Over 1,100 victims lost without a trace 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTZG238jH9k earthquaketrack@gmail.com
Does http://earthquaketrack.com have 9/11 quakes recorded?

16 years ago 2.4 magnitude, 7 km depth 
ManhattanNew YorkUnited States

http://earthquaketrack.com/quakes/2001-01-17-12-34-22-utc-2-4-7

Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory (LEDO) Seismic researchers hint at even larger numbers then Then reported about 9/11
LEDO Seismic researchers hint at even larger numbers then the 2.4 Magnitude Quakes on 9-11
''It was pretty good sized,'' said Lynn R. Sykes, a seismologist at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University, which tracks global earthquakes from its base 10 miles north of Manhattan. The destructive energy of the January earthquake was magnitude 2.4, a minor earthquake. It was felt in Manhattan and Queens. Dr. Sykes said the twin tower collapses were slightly larger in destructive energy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/us/a-day-of-terror-the-measurement-columbia-s-seismographs-log-quake-level-impacts.html Key here is "were slightly larger in destructive energy" greater then 2.4 but reported energies is lower 2.3 2.1 .09 , .07

.06 from PAL.. Longitude and latitude 40.711??? and 74.013??? is too short for exact location. Three more digits is required.. http://www.latlong.net/c/?lat=40.711484&long=-74.011481 My guess is the exact location is between the towers for each.. http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2014/06/size-of-911-wtc-seismic-summary-by-ldeo.html Jim Donaghy was shaving inside his Upper East Side apartment when he felt a boom, followed by a slight shaking. "You know those big construction Dumpsters they use when doing work on a building? It sounded like someone dropped one of those," Donaghy said. "That's what I thought it was." The other earthquake seem more like a test explosion, deep underground and getting ready for the real deal.. Have you heard the explosions yet? The 11:25 Explosion sound up close versions seem to match the N.J filmed explosion sounds 2.22 miles away.. The 11:25 Explosion sound up close 11:25 might match up to Seismograph above..

Sunday, April 23, 2017

A key patterned divergence which removes this plane from all AA planes in existence




TWA had exact same color palette as 2001 american airlines 


I remember on the NYPD Communications Division Tapes Cops said it was a TWA that hit the North Tower 7m42s mark



Last Secrets of 911 plane parts don't match





Story line in text: 
ABC asks "was 9/11 your Pearl Harbor" ? The guys marching was caused by the Reichstag fire, possible HTA thermite based arson .. Then 878 feet is the distance Flight 11 belongings flew while being obstructed by the South tower.. Regardless the mother believes this story.. Flight 11 personal items are returned from another building down the street almost 900 feet away. Next we look at plane debris found along this same path.. Next we look at the only color photo with a plane part with colors. The correct pattern is: Silver, dark blue then white. The pattern does match the pattern of flight 11 or flight 175 nor does it has the right color blue. The white color is missing. This part should be located at a museum and be reexamined to double check this issue.. If I am correct, then the plane were switched. Passenger belonging might have been left on the plane or dumped later because rings in perfect condition was found across different passengers. I am not sure any fragments of passengers were ever found. If so let me know.

Betty Omg 904-555-00004 FBI

https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2001-09-sep-03-of-08/view

Then, on the afternoon of the 12th of September, a Toyota was flagged as “suspicious,” at Dulles International Airport. It was registered to Al-Hazmi of Lemon Grove, California, and was diligently searched. Among the items found, were:
  • Four (4) color diagrams of an instrument panel for a B757 aircraft
  • One yellow and black utility knife (a.k.a. “box cutter”)
  • One identification card form the Pan Am International Flight Academy, Jet Tech International, in Phoenix, AZ, bearing the name HANI HANJOUR
  • A cashier’s check to the Flight Academy in the amount of $5745 from HANJOUR
  • A travel itinerary for KHALID AL-MIHDHAR and MAJED MOQED on AA Flight 77, specifying seats 13A and 13B
  • A piece of paper with the name “Osama 5895316”

    “Atta was the only passenger among the 81 aboard American Flight 11 whose luggage didn’t make the flight” (Paul Sperry, WorldNetDaily.com, September 11, 2002).


Dear Mr. Plesse:

The National Archives only collects federal government records, so the NYPD records are not part of our collection. The records the NYPD shared with the 9/11 Commission are here because they were accessioned as part of the 9/11 Commission collection. I spent several hours trying to figure out where to find original NYPD records and I have had no luck at all, so I can understand why this is frustrating for you. I have a few suggestions, but no easy answer. 

1.) Contact the New York State Archives (archref@nysed.gov) and ask what records they have about 9/11 and if they know how to access the NYPD records from that day. This might be a routine question for them.

2.) Contact the New York Public Library (http://www.nypl.org/ask-nypl) and ask about NYPD records. They are among the best reference staff in the country, so they will know.

3.) The New York Times sued the City of New York for access to some first responder materials. They have since created an elaborate website (www.nytimes.com/sept11) that contains a mountain of information about that day. Take a look at the site for clues about original records and you might also find some additional information -- oral histories, for example -- that might interest you.

I'm sorry I can't be more helpful with this part of your request. There is so much information out there that I cannot keep track of it all and can barely stay ahead of what I have in my own collection. While the Internet has made many kinds of research easier, archival research can still be a hugely time-consuming hunt. I wish I knew how to make it easier for you.

As for your other questions...
1.) 9/11 Commission first responder interviews
The National Archives' General Counsel examined the agreement between the City of New York and the 9/11 Commission and determined that we not only cannot make the content of the first responder interviews available until the 25 year mark, we also cannot release the names of those interviewed. I can tell you that I've read these interviews and recall nothing about airplane markings.The film footage captured by the Naudet Brothers is the best footage I'm aware of that captures the first plane. If you haven't seen it, the Naudet's film is available from film rental stores, Netflix, etc. The interviews I've read that mention the second plane do so in terms of the bang of the contact, not as someone seeing the airplane coming, so I don't recall any mention of markings.

2.) Van explosion on King Street
The file titled "148-911-NY00099-4-s1" contains a reference to the bomb squad being called to 6th Avenue and King Street at approximately the 35:00 mark in the recording. I'm assuming the details of this call would be written up in original NYPD records I talked about at the start of this email. Also keep in mind that the FBI is the main investigating entity for the attack itself. If they felt such an explosion would be part of the overall attack, they would have records. If you haven't explored the FBI records, please do so. They are also the agency responsible for the recovered bits of the airplanes, so they are also important to your markings question. All the FBI records cited in the 9/11/Commission Report were processed by the FBI FOIA Office and posted here (https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/). You can also find link a link to the FBI FOIA request form there, too, I think, if this material isn't helpful.

3.) Photographs of the airplanes
Again, check the FBI website. Any debris of the airplanes would most certainly have been considered evidence, so it would be within the FBI's scope. Also, search for images of the Moussaoui trial exhibits; photos of airplane debris were used in the trial. 

4.) Original request for SOD recordings
As I said yesterday, I'll email you a CD with recordings. Based on your response about the time frame, I'll send these:


NYPD Communications Division SOD, Division 1, Ch 17 09:29-10:15 a.m. 

NYPD Communications Division SOD, World Trade Center, 9:32:20-10:18:56 a.m. 

NYPD Communications Division, SOD, World Trade Center, 8:46:53-9:33 a.m. 



NYPD Communications Division, 9/11/2001, Location: World Trade Center, Special Operations Division, 8:46:53-9:33

NYPD Communications Division, 9/11/2001, Location: World Trade Center, Special Operations Division, 9:32:20-10:18:56

NYPD Communications Division, 9/11/2001, Location: World Trade Center, Special Operations Division, 10:18-11:04:56

NYPD Communications Division, 9/11/2001, Location: World Trade Center, Special Operations Division, 11:04-11:49:56

NYPD Communications Division, 9/11/2001, Location: World Trade Center, Special Operations Division, 11:49-12:34



These recordings are often scratchy and not always clear in terms of being able to understand what's being said. My office doesn't have any software or means of improving the sound quality, so you'll get what I have. The Aviation base is included on the recordings.

The National Archives usually charges a fee of $15 per disc, but I would rather not do the paperwork, so let's call this a gift from the National Archives to you!

I hope this information helps you. I'm sorry I don't have easy answers or specific documents I can provide to answer your questions. If you have additional questions, I will be back in the office in January, but my colleagues are here M-Th next week and the following week. You can email them at Legislative.Archives@nara.gov. 

Best of luck with your research!

Happy New Year!
Bob Runyon Fascinating ... 
does anyone have an answer for WHY
an airliner should be able to penetrate a skyscraper wall

"like a hot knife through butter" 
?????????????????????????????????????
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Daniel M. Plesse Bob Runyon People say the tower was shaking like in an earthquake BEFORE the plane hit SO what was the shaking before each event? 
Maybe an airliner should be able to penetrate a skyscraper With Infrasound on 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXaNBzm90m4

Richard McManus The are some interesting photos/video on this link, but not all of them. The photos of the windows from a large commercial size jet is good evidence to counter the NO-PLANERS. But the colors in this photo are a bit different than the dark blue seen in a photo of an American Airlines jet. But the color pattern matches up with what we would expect having come from an AA jet. Only to blue color is much lighter. Maybe the heat caused the dark blue to turn lighter blue? Yes, the large yellow/orange ball or flash is likely from an explosion. The photos of the fire burning next to a car, those flames look like burning metal flames, not hydrocarbon flames.
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Daniel M. Plesse Richard McManus You missed the key sentence

"The white Stripe is missing. A key patterned divergence which removes this plane from all AA planes in existence" 

You are avoiding the key evidence or you are blocking your brain from seeing the key evidence as it exists. 

"color pattern matches up with what we would expect having come from an AA " No it does not was point of this communication.
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