reply
NOBODY KNOWS DAN…. nobody knows. plenty of evidence that NIST is at a loss to explain what they studied. Read the report, look at the nickel attacking or forming within the steel C-115 truss rod. But nickel is an alloying element to iron, not a corrosive agent. If you are looking for magic coin, there it is!
NIST's findings do not support the "pancake theory" of collapse”
however NIST Does Support a giant block theory which is just like pancake theory but it includes a “top section” which also vanishes without a trace and misses 16 people and no object shows this effect. No shill has put forth a defense proving anything.
“that the towers could not resist the tremendous energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building at and above the fire and impact floors.”
FAQs - NIST WTC Towers Investigation NIST says the top section “pressed” and “flatten” the rest of the towers, so where is the evidence?
Christine said
Pasquale Buzzelli was safe in his bed on the night 9/11 . So your TNT theory from Gravity just didn’t not happen. Sorry, guess again.
This is a photo Pasquale Buzzelli’s leg. Looks like he was blasted by
explosives. Black and blue.
Also Gravity limits the rate of free fall. A free-falling object has an acceleration of 9.8 m/s/s, downward. So forget about your 15,000 tons of dead floor/building/something which used gravity idea. Gravity missed groups of people, who were untouched by your magic pancake theory, and they were all throughout the building and they ALL went home for dinner on 9/11. Falling floors? I think not! Most of none-pancake people are still having dinner just like everyone else. So that's the end of that stupid idea. Don't bring it up again. Here is rule of thumb you can live by: If it sounds stupid, it is stupid.
What ever happened to James Millette 9/11 thermite chips? Why didn’t any of the government shill supporters ask for them or ask a single important question? Why don’t you answer that question yourself? Cat got your tongue or would that be counterproductive? The cat always seems to have the tongue when shilling for criminals is paramount.
Christine Mazzola Paramedic Fire Department of New York
What happened to James Millette chips? Why didn’t any of the government shill supporters ask for them or ask a single important question? Why don’t you answer?
“No Christine does not believe in bombs.???” How do you know that? Did you speak with her? Are you making things up like James Millette did and that is why he never did his job or prove anything via blinded third party?
This has nothing to do with the collapses. Why would you assume such a stupid idea knowing the bombs were going off all day? You heard them going off on video too. I can upload more bombing victims right now and more reports of secondary explosions connected with the collapses.
9/11 Explosives Cover Up part 2 Victims Injuries
https://youtu.be/yJ1MLLuY1aU
She didn’t say anything about a collapse. Where do you see the word collapse? No collapse at this point in time means explosives.
explosion’ does mean explosives when the feet per second or degree power of the blast is great enough.
You can see the damage on the steel C-14
9/11 physical evidence for controlled demolition
let look at this sentence:
“why would James give you his chips? you are unqualified to handle the dust sample”
First, The topic is about the chips NOT the dust sample. Do you understand the difference?
Second, the issue is not give ME the chips, its give anyone the chips. Why did he hold or withhold the chips for verification? Why not give the chips to Steven Jones or all the people who had positive test results?
“there is irony in that statement” You just verified that you are a shill. The correct answer would have been something like: No one is shilling or is paid to look the other way with regard to NOT asking WHY at every at moment or finding answers or NOT reading correctly on spite which is a desire to hurt, annoy, anyone. That is NOT what is happening here.
tremendous energy released by the downward movement. The key here is “downward movement”. What does a downward movement of top section do? NIST is saying that the top section “pressed” and “flatten” the rest of the towers. The quotes are from your responses and NOT from NIST.
Your focus on the quotes is not the topic, not an issue and it an avoidance of the facts, that you never said who said the chips are in storage! James Millette shared his test results but NOT his chips which still need to be verified or nothing was accomplished. How many “debunkers” demanded that the chip verification process is necessary? ZERO! You don’t even know WHY that is should be done or why?
“why is the lab papers test secrete? Why is it private? that is even more suspicious now.” Suspicious of who? The families should have gotten a copy and they most likely did not. It is Suspicious that James Millette didn’t bother to send the chips to the person who hired him and that hiree didn’t bother to ask.
Why would Bart Voorsanger have anything to do with test? They said “fused” and “like lava” which also means heat was the cause not [again your quotes] “pressed” and “flattened”. This shows you definitely have an I.Q issue.
They discover a “solid, rock like mass was tested and the cause was HEAT. Pablo Lopez assumed and later was found incorrect. The recognizable traces of twenty floors was most likely molten at the time is is the true cause as per reports. Pablo Lopez also witnessed flight 175 going down the Hudson River going SOUTH, then turned over Statue Of Liberty and then go NORTH into the towers. Pablo Lopez was guessing and he was discovered LATER he was WRONG and carbonized means burned. These stories are the cover story, while the real reports show a different story which are hard to get and are unknown by the public and truther community. You know about the reports show the early reports are wrong. So why do you bring it up is anyone’s guess.
The thinning evidence of 9/11. Appendix C and now C-115. Again NOT crushed! Not a single flat marks on any the surfaces C-115.
C-14 shows a blast and not covered in the report!
How does Pablo Lopez comments relate back you your photo of single I-beam which is NOT flatten and thus proves your comments and reference to photos wrong? The location is also OUTSIDE the towers near on the side of the retaining wall called the The Bathtub - Wikipedia
So you not only show a pile OUTSIDE the towers and
I-beams not crushed, you failed to answer my question.
#2 “FEMA among others” was refering to OKC bombing. Wrong bombing. 1998 is not 2001!
Figure 6. Sequence of air-blast effects
Image Credit: BIPS 06 / FEMA 426 Reference Manual to Mitigate Potential Terrorist Attacks Against Buildings (Source:: Naval Facilities Engineering Service Center, User's Guide on Protection Against Terrorist Vehicle Bombs, May 1998)
Blast Safety of the Building Envelope and that was a scam.
#3 “I look through his book and I couldn't find any reference to explosives. “ How did you “look through the book”? Why not READ the book? This is more proof that you can’t READ!
#4 Michael Hess will not talk is not speculation and when he did talk it was all lies. Why did Michael Hess lie is anyone guess. Why don’t you ask him?
“Bart Voorsanger is claiming that there was molten steel in the concrete. How did he know that?” So you assume because he matches what the report says he 1. has read the report? 2. Knows about the report? 3. guessing correctly is impossible? Anyone can SEE the mass was molten. Lava is also referenced at museums at the 9/11 rock formations.
“New York Police Museum. ... "During recovery efforts, several handguns were found at Ground Zero, including these two cylindrical gun-casing remains and a revolver embedded in concrete. Fire temperatures were so intense that concrete melted like lava around anything in its path." “How Did Ground Zero get as hot as Kilauea 2,200-degree lava? and around the guns. Again NOT PRESSED.
“Anyway I emailed Elizabeth Greenspan, author of ‘Battle for ground zero” and I still haven’t gotten any reply” maybe she thinks you will cause trouble for the Jews. This report is big trouble. You will never get it, read it and never hear the truth about it. Ask the families about it not Greenspan.
“Ok …Mohr did have access to the samples because he is the one who hired James in the first place. “ Why do you assume Mohr had access to James Millette source material? Why would James Millette give Chris source material?
Did Chris Mohr ask for the chips James Millette filtered from the dust so HE can pass them on to others?
Solid Proof means Is there and HARD Evidence of twin Tower destruction involving a weapon of some kind. We have an array to pick from.
HARD Evidence Array #1 Elevated Tritium Levels
HARD Evidence Array #2 Thermite explosion video on West Street.
Photos of North Tower Command Center Blown up!
FBI videos of bombs still attached
Lights turning off seconds before demo!
Obviously not every person in the building ended up sandwiched between debris, there were areas which remained intact during the collapse and allowed people like Pasquale to come out with minimal injuries. Your claim that there wasn't many people inside while it collapsed is completely unfounded, those within the building were told to shelter in place, and fires trapped most people above the 70th floor, at least in the South Tower. Whether you taped it from home or not changes nothing.
The giant sandwich can’t pick people to miss. It either happened like you said or it did not happen. If it missed people like Pasquale and his co-workers then it did not happen. I just showed you a photo of Pasquale on 9/11.
The center core remained intact, but people like Pasquale was on top of that center core. He was also above the area at the center which remained intact by a long shot. You assume he and coworkers found protection. They did not.
Pasquale was taped from his home.. You other claims of my claims did not happened either. So a lot did not happen then or now.
What makes you say the center core remained intact? The aircraft severely damaged the core of both buildings, and it doesn't even matter whether this is true or not because it lends nothing to your theory. Pasquale was at the 22nd floor in Stairwell B at the time of the collapse.
The Miracle Survivors
Also, I never said the building ‘chose’ to spare certain people. I said that there were pockets of structure which remained intact. It's not realistic to say the buildings collapsed completely perfectly, with no space left between each floor, but that doesn't mean certain floors didn't collapse that way.
“The aircrafts severely damaged the core of both buildings, “ says who? Did they save the core so we can look at it ourselves? No they didn’t.
What makes you say the center core remained intact? answer photos! duh.
“Pasquale was at the 22nd” Genelle Guzman-McMillan, another survivor who was with Buzzelli when the tower collapsed, claimed to have been on the 13th floor.
Still you have zero pancake evidence. I got two who didn’t get pancaked. The point is what cover does stairwell provide. None!
They were in the direct center of the collapse and no pancake.
So it didn’t happen.
“but that doesn't mean certain floors didn't collapse that way.” Now you are backing out of statement.
The “certain floors” are your pancake theory. You can’t pick a floor to not pancake just so people can film themselves without even a crushed toe.
I can't seem to find a single photo which shows an intact center core. The fact that the buildings remained standing after the impact doesn't disprove this, as the core isn't the only vertical support.
Also, Genelle was found buried under rubble, while Pasquale was found on top of the pile. This lends to the fact that Pasquale was on the 22nd floor and Genelle was on the 13th.
The top of the buildings didn't fall directly down, like you think my “pancake theory” assumes, as the descent of the top portion of the buildings was obviously impeded by a significant amount of material, causing certain parts of the building to shift horizontally during collapse.
Also, I never retracted my statement. I acknowledged that the reality was more complicated than could be explained that simply.
“The fact that the buildings remained standing after impact”??
We are talking about AFTER 9/11.
“The fact that the buildings remained standing after 9/11. The some perimeter columns ALSO remained standing after 9/11.
No pancake there too.
“Sergeant McLoughlin was on the 82nd floor of the building when it came down. McLoughlin is a 21-year veteran of the Port Authority police force pulled from the rubble” Not pancaked and not part of 16 miracle survivors.
“The top of the buildings didn't fall directly down.” So what happened to it? Where is it? What street did it land on? “shift horizontally during collapse.” So it should exist then? What evidence can you show? If the top “shifted” then what was the force acting on the towers?
“This lends to the fact that Pasquale was on the 22nd floor and Genelle was on the 13th.” No it does not. Why? Pasquale and Genelle were holding hands during the collapse.
“I can't seem to find a single photo which shows an intact center core.”
There you go. One center core. With labels. Not pancaked.
So add this object to the list that dismisses the pancake theory idea.
“Also, I never retracted my statement” You have been nothing but softening in your ideas and each softened idea shows nothing should have vanished so many people and that was my point.