Saturday, August 2, 2014

FOIL for NYPD Air for Missing Second Plane Photos


Notice they don't publish the number of phone doing the calling from the planes, they only publish the destination phone number.. The reason is all phone calls are the same number 904-555-0004. http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/09/911-flight-11-and-flight-77-both.html

9/11 Hijackers Requested Medical Exam After 9/11 to qualify for Pilot License 

The Phone Calls That Never Were & Irregular Flight Manifests On 9/11






911 Eyewitness - helicopter pilots say rescue difficult but 
possible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNcjAywiW9c

NYPD Helicopter Flight X Flew Right Under
“We saw the second plane".
“Peculiar”.
“Where is this guy going?”.
“HE WENT RIGHT UNDER OUR HELICOPTER”.
“His wings rocked three times banking left and right.”
“I prayed this was a bad dream”.

This is the testimony of Donald T Gromling.
A Pilot of the NYPD aviation unit.
His helicopter was first on the scene after the 1st tower was hit.Isn't there already enough footage of the second jet? NO!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x9571Because it looks like another NYPD aviation unit video taped the event...
 NYPD Aviation Unit Lt./Pilot Glenn Daley, who was flying over ground zero in New York City on September 11, showed the audience a gripping video taken in the cabin of his NYPD Bell 412 during the attacks. At one point, his helicopter was about 150 feet from the hijacked Boeing 767; indeed, the commandeered commercial airliner dove to avoid Daley's helicopter.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20040530213951/http://www.defensedaily.com/sar2001/wrap3.htm

  • Matthew Moore ....and you want to know if the Police took photos of F175?
  • Daniel M. Plesse No not flight 175 and Yes if those photos show a military plane or a drone. Hopefully something other then flight 175. 

    For example Silverstein had control over "9/11 footage from NYPD helicopter", so maybe they have been sending out clear inside job evidence however the Silverstein's of the world have been blocking the release thus far. 

  • Matthew Moore Have those Police involved suggested that they did take photos of the plane?
    9 mins · Like
  • Daniel M. Plesse Thier work is included above. and "9/11 footage from NYPD helicopter" video tapes but it does NOT include a plane in both situations.

    I have no idea if they said that they did or did not take photos of the plane? That part is completely unknown to me.
    4 mins · Edited · Like

Stephen Phillips the only reasonable conclusion is that deliberate concealment is in play.
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What are they hiding? It can't be Flight 175.
People assume the media houses would release all the videos uncut, which they did not. I wonder if you FIOL the NYPD without the media filter or anything filter hopefully get the materials directly by mistake we could get to actual truth? Right now everything, so far has been edited. The pilot had to see the plane coming and flew "right under them'. So what happened? Where are the photographs? What happened to the 9/11 Truth Movement?

Dear  William F. Pepper,  (no answer from him) 


    I was wondering if you can get on the case of the "Missing Photos OF Flight 175 from all NYPD  Helicopters? I know a simple FOIL request would do it but there forms don't seem to be asking for kind of information. It seem like the FOIL request are for Case numbers dealing with officials and the public.
I need the Air Unit officers to give up all photographic and video evidence without edits. Can you help? Thanks Dan


FOIL for Photos via NYPD Air Units


Please ask the NYPD Air Units to release all Flight 175 images and videos. File a FOIL today. Protest do everything you can to get get those images.

Why no flight 175 photos or video? Because its clearly not flight 175!!

Choppers that were at the WTC on 9/11 include:
NYPD Unit #3: Officers Schub and Kelhetter;
#6, Detective Semendinger and Officer Ciccone;
#12, Sgt. Rowley, Detective LaGarenne, Officers Diaz and Jordan; and
#14, Officers Walsh, Hayes, Gromling, and Maier and _____ and _____

(ask Hayes to fill-in the blanks). Lt. Glenn A. Daley declared that he: "helped coordinate the response from the NYPD Aviation Unit Operations Center"

Full Detailed Account of 

Case of the Missing NYPD Helicopter Photos


NIST's direct source tape of the DVD-Video encoding

(MS Access file "Copy of Video_List.mdb", "Videos" and "Tapes" tabs):

Tape_ID: 94
Video_ID: 54
Video_title: "ABC Primetime Thursday - NYPD Helicopter Footage and Rooftop Rescues"
Network: ABC
Broadcast_date: 11-8-2001
Copy: 1
Format: VHS
Duration (min): 10
Subject: Other
Tape_Source: Silverstein  (Yep Larry "Pull it" Silverstein)
Notes: "9/11 footage from NYPD helicopter
Discussion of rooftop rescues
Interviews with NYPD"
Clips: FALSE
Batch: FALSE
TimeCode: TRUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS4sdf2evtg

WTCFOIAVideos
+danp5648
What footage? NYPD helicopter's 9/11 footage? It's unknown if they did capture the plane on camera. One can make a FOIA ("FOIL" in NYC) request to NYPD and ask for a clean copy of that video or ask for an video inventory first.
To make a FOIL request, please complete the request form found below for 
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/legal_matters/dclm_doc_production_foil.shtml

A clean copy of all Helicopter Aviation videos from 9/11
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/new-york-city-17/a-clean-copy-of-all-helicopter-aviation-videos-from-911-15155/draft/

 NYPD Timothy Hayes Lt. Glenn Daley




                               NYPD aviation subtracted Flight 175 from the record source #2


NIST FOIA 09-42 Release 32 9-11-01 from NYPD Aviation-show #1 (and folders #2 and 3 all Greg Semendinger.)
Download Link: http://911datasets.org/images/International_Center_for_911_Studies_NIST_FOIA_-_Release_28.torrent
NIST FOIA 09-42 Release 8 - 843 files, 8,538MB

WTCPlaneCrash = 154 jpgs - Greg Semendinger 9/11 aerials again, but no 
metadata. No plane crash shot, just before and after photos with Greg's 
name and NYC Aviation Unit text -- see release 17 for image data
Basically folder FBI 42A0556 - G43D1 and FBI folder 42A0550 - G42D5 are both copies that start AFTER "Flight 175" impact event. What happen to Flight 175?

Over and over no flight 175! Release after release

Full length high quality mpeg-2 in release 28, 42A0286 - G27D16 -- concentrates on the NYPD aviation units.

Same stupid video - over and over !! waste of time!
http://hiddenmessagejournal.com/index.php/the-nist-files/17-international-center-for-911-studies-nist-foia/79-the-nist-files-release-28-folder-42a0286-g27d16

http://www.911conspiracy.tv/NIST_FOIA.html




Why is all videos from one NYPD Helicopter when more then one NYPD Chopper exists ?
Why is all videos from AFTER Flight 175 impact ?

What happen to the photos, videos of Flight 175? What communication did they have with the radar towers?

Google Drive photo from one Chopper
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0pxVbXyB9OLMEIwdEJfb1p0RUU&usp=sharing

NYPD aviation subtracted Flight 175 from the record
 

We only have two photos showing that they were next the south tower before "flight 175"



There are now three photos: 2 videos stills and 1 photo with time stamps.

You never see the NYPD in any shill shots of "Flight 175". Did they "back off during the explosion" Do we have their FOIA radio communications on 9/11 photo and video of "flight 175"? How far was the NYPD Helicopter from flight 175 at 9:01 A.M?

What does their flight pattern look like in 3D just before "impact"? Did they make room for Flight 175?

Video Stills and Photos together.
http://s1222.photobucket.com/user/danp5648/media/WTC_4451_enlarged3.jpg.html

  • Dan Plesse 9:01 - 9:03 World Trade Center South Tower Focus
    http://s1222.photobucket.com/.../WTC_4451_enlarged3.jpg.html

  • Bob Sagat Same picture does not change the facts.
  • Dan Plesse There are now three photos: 2 videos stills and 1 photo with time stamps.

    You never see the NYPD in any shill shots of "Flight 175". Did they "back off during the explosion" Do we have their FOIA radio communications on 9/11 photo and video of "fligh
    ...See More


    s1222.photobucket.com
    This photo was uploaded by danp5648.
  • Bob Sagat Dan, ALL aircraft were grounded after the second plane hit.

    NEXT!!!!
  • Bob Sagat No, it did not make room for flight 175. My god man, like that helicopter was going to do anything like that. I wished it would have actually. Would have saved the tower if it were there.
  • Bob Sagat Also, there are no side facing cameras on most police helicopters.
  • Bob Sagat I do remember that there was a video from a helicopter, might have been the same one that had video from a passenger(non pilot) on it. They were ordered to go land. Look it up.
  • Dan Plesse Bob Sagat a number question were asked.
      "12:29" is minute mark on the video file

      Basically folder FBI 42A0556 - G43D1 and FBI folder 42A0550 - G42D5 are both copies that start AFTER "Flight 175" impact event. What happen to Flight 175?

      General information
      42A0556 - G43D1
      1 DVD/1 VOB file 17:03 length -- NYPD aviation, helicopter footage (again. See 42A0550 - G42D5). Chopper flys by WTC 1 roof... WTC 2 collapse missed, dust envelops the area. At 12:29 WTC 1 collapse in progress, seen from landing pad across the Hudson River.

      42A0550 - G42D5
      1 DVD with 2 VOB files. Titled "WTCI-FBI-#9-Redacted" dated Dec 22, 2009. 36:44 length with audio -- Famous NYPD aviation helicopter video, approaches WTC 1 roof, circles around, lands in grass nearby. At 4:21 cut to mid flight, moments after WTC 2 collapse. "It's gone - the whole tower!" At 12:27 cut to WTC 1 mid-collapse, seen from landing pad across Hudson River. At 16:55 fade during long shot of WTC skyline in cloud of dust, chopper landed. Begin new video in dusty street presumably near Ground Zero, but at 19:10 cuts to black before anything happens.

      http://www.911conspiracy.tv/NIST_FOIA.html

    • MJ Black Trying to follow. ..cannot open last link. What is FOIA?
    • Dan Plesse FOIA is what you need to get video files. They or someone keeps releasing the same stupid material.



    • MJ Black Trying to follow. ..cannot open last link. What is FOIA?
    • Dan Plesse FOIA is what you need to get video files. They or someone keeps releasing the same stupid material.


    "Also, there are no side facing cameras" I am taking about hand held cameras inside the helicopter and radio communication records and radar measurements.

    NIST release 42 International Center for 911 Studies NIST FOIA 42A0556 - G43D1 only has the events BEFORE and AFTER Flight 175
    NEXT ! and not a direct recording from the Police but a copy from channel 5 news.

    "They were ordered to go land" You do see NYPD flying in the same air space in still photos, in videos and photos. So what the hell are you talking about?

    42A0556 - G43D1
1 DVD/1 VOB file 17:03 length -- NYPD aviation, helicopter footage (again. See 42A0550 - G42D5). Chopper flys by WTC 1 roof... WTC 2 collapse missed, dust envelops the area. At 12:29 WTC 1 collapse in progress, seen from landing pad across the Hudson River. (See YouTube.
http://www.911conspiracy.tv/NIST_FOIA.html

A related collection of 153 still photos from another NYPD helicopter:

http://cryptome.org/0001/wtc-nist-gjs... (64MB)

Cryptome.org has published many other items on the WTC attack and reconstruction. Search on "wtc and cryptome." Contact: cryptome@earthlink.net

A sends to Cryptome 9 March 2011:

The leaked video MSM credits to Cryptome was released in 2007 with Hebrew text added:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZzWAC...

Informative commentary by NIST and Cryptome here:

http://tinyurl.com/5so7ulp

WTC Attack September 11, 2001 from New York Police Helicopter

Video obtained by an FOIA request from a person to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST.gov) who directed NIST to send it to Cryptome.org. NIST investigated the WTC tower collapses and collected large amounts of evidence from officials and individuals. While much of this evidence has been released to the public, more is still withheld.

Excerpt of the March 3, 2011 NIST letter to the FOIA requester who used the mail address of Cryptome.

Quote: These electronic files image were provided to NIST by the New York Police Department. The City of New York has provided NIST with the following notice:


Cryptome: The 2007 version is a cropped and re-arranged version of this one.

Another win for No Plane Theory - This time from the air!

1248:04     EWR               ah its something burning i i didnt see anything crash into it but all a sudden a huge plume of smoke came out of the world trade center

1301:09     TEB               yeah you guys got any type any idea what knda airplane ran into the  world trade

1301:13     CBA              i dont personally i dont believe it was an airplane that ran in there

4 AWA 150 FULL TRANSCRIPT
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0pxVbXyB9OLSzllYnF2U0xFcUxsWDl5TzdNVDRIc1lvaW5Z/edit?usp=sharing

9/11 HTA Arson Update 2014
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0pxVbXyB9OLaFktbXVkSFI4M2c/edit?usp=sharing

  • MJ Black Yes! !I appreciate what you are doing!
  • Bob Sagat I do not see anything. What are you trying to point out? Smoke? People in the building? The airplane cut out on the tower?
  • Dan Plesse Bob Sagat That is exactly the point! Where is flight 175? Why is it missing from the released records by the NYPD? What has the Truth Movement done to correct this issue?

    Can you answer that point. First you said they (NYPD) didn't have side cameras
    . I said they were filmed with hand held carmeras. Then you asked about the minutes 12:29 which is reference point in video time line. Now to seemed that you forgot the original question and lost at sea knowing there this a problem with NYPD Released CD-ROM's and missing a 767-222E.

    What the hell is your problem?
  • Bob Sagat Hell with my problem? I think it is yours. I can't find a damn thing with your videos. Not one thing.

    WHICH video exactly? Look at the list, count how many videos down, use the name as well, THEN maybe I might be able to figure out which of the videos you have a problem with.


    So far in 13 years, not one video has proved anything wrong. Not one.

  • Dan Plesse Bob Sagat I talking about NYPD aviation showing the plane. What is your problem?
  • Bob Sagat Block me? Why? You can't prove your point.
  • Bob Sagat I am trying to figure out what you are getting at now.
  • Bob Sagat Somewhat confusing.
    Just now · Like



    Private Helicopter following "flight 175"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6erzWAj_s

    9/11 Helicopters Inc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1KkLUrFOfw&list=UUBp6IQZpN_QnpBXP-aUuJxQ&hd=1


    Its not a leak, it is declassified 9/11 FOIA. This is somewhere near page 250 in the Dancing Israeli FBI FOIA Documents. The FBI was hoping there was helicopter footage of the scene at the Doric Apartments. These helicpters played a critical role in 9/11, this gives us some insight and details for research.

    Dancing Israeli FBI FOIA Documents.
    http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-dancing-israelis-docs_4.html


    Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 05:52 PM
    Response to Original message 
    THE CATCH IS THAT THIS UNIT VIDEO TAPED EVERYTHING AT HIGH ALTITUDE FROM SHORTLY AFTER THE IMPACT OF THE NORTH TOWER TO THE EVENTUAL COLLAPSE OF BOTH TOWERS.

    SO WHERE IS THE FOOTAGE OF FLIGHT UA175 PASSING”RIGHT UNDER” 
    THEIR HELICOPTER?
    OTHER EXERPTS OF THEIR FOOTAGE HAVE BEEN AIRED IN VARIOUSE
    NEWS BULLETINS AND DOCUMENTARIES OVER THE LAST YEAR AND ½
    (MOSTLY ..THEIR PASS OVER THE ROOF OF THE NORTH TOWER TO SEE IF THEY COULD LAND).

    THERE ARE 6 POSSIBLITIES.
    1)THE FOOTAGE FORMS PART OF THE ONGOING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AND THERFORE CANNOT BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC(POSSIBLE)....

    2)THE PLANE THAT THEY VIDEO TAPED FROM CLOSE RANGE WOULD REVEAL THAT IT IS NOT THE SAME PLANE THAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IT IS(POSSIBLE).

    3)THERE WAS NO PLANE AND GROMLING IS LYING(POSSIBLE)..........

    4)THE VIDEO CAMERA WAS FACING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO THE ONCOMING PLANE(POSSIBLE BUT UNLIKELY).....

    5)THE VIDEO CAMERA WAS SWITCHED OFF(POSSIBLE BUT UNLIKELY).

    6)THE FOOTAGE(OF THE CRASH) IS TOO GRAPHIC TO SHOW(POSSIBLE).


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