Second Plane U-Turn Circled Around NYC Witness List

• Flight 175 near mid-air collision before WTC impact w/TWA Flight 3,
pilot & passengers interviewed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsWedXppkeI

Vasquez was on TWA Flight Number 3. It took off from JFK that day, destined for St. Louis. Vasquez saw an aircraft next to them as they approached the Twin Towers.

"So this really shiny object," he explained. "It would just like drop and disappear, and it was like out of control, down and up."

Sounds like a UFO 

• Mystery White Plane at the WTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14M08plhUJs

SAWYER: We had seen a plane coming in from the other direction earlier. I had noticed it. Had you, Charlie? I didn't know if that plane had been circled wide and came back from another direction, but we all watched it, and I just assumed...
BILL BLAKEMORE reporting: And then I saw the second plane hit the tower and this flash of light.'

https://911timeline.s3.amazonaws.com/2001/abcnews091101.html

8:54 plane in five photos. How is this possible.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JV5ygSeYr9W4qEfd7

Second Plane Hunting third photo
https://www.tineye.com/search/94c2bd6bb1a5f2dbcd65d4ceff676677f2499aa9/




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The other five items are all excerpts from interviews or statements by
eyewitnesses. Three of them – Kerry Cashelof, James Murphy and Brian
O'Flaherty – I hadn't seen before, but the other two – Jennifer Spell
and Tom Vallebuona – are familiar.

I don't know who Cashelof is, and I suspect his name has been
misspelled as there is no other information about this guy out there.
The book contained a link to the original source, an old eBay blog I
think, but that link was no longer working. In any event he was
talking about the plane making a u-turn. He also claims he filmed
this, but there is no record of that. As it stands, this statement
isn't worth a whole lot, but I thought I'd relate it to you anyway in
case you've missed it. Maybe you have more details?

• Kerry Cashelof
"At this point I was still under the impression that this was an
accident and after watching and filming this other plane make a U-turn
and head back towards the towers nothing in the world could have
prepared me for what would happen next."
https://ia801300.us.archive.org/24/items/GrossmannTwentyTwoAndAHalfPlanes/Grossmann%20-%20Twenty%20Two%20and%20a%20Half%20Planes.pdf#page=43

Then comes James Murphy, who is a firefighter and an excellent
eyewitness. The interesting thing about this is that he too uses the
same expression as Kai Stevenson: "It looked like it was coming up the
East River" and adds "it was coming from the south". It's the same
figure of speech.

• James Murphy
"We were watching it. We could see it from here. We have an
unobstructed view. The other guys came up too. All six of us were on
the roof. Then we saw the second one come up. It looked like it was
coming up the East River from here. I guess it was coming from the
south. I thought it banked over the East River, which is what it
looked like. I thought it made a left over the East River and went
right into it going from east to west. But as it turns out, it came
from the south. Then we saw it just go right into the building and
explode. I remember talking to Eric. I remember Eric saying something,
'Oh, my God, there’s another plane.' I was saying to him, 'That plane
is closer to us. It’s really not a big plane going towards the
building.' Two seconds later it rammed into the building."
Firefighter James Murphy.
https://ia801300.us.archive.org/24/items/GrossmannTwentyTwoAndAHalfPlanes/Grossmann%20-%20Twenty%20Two%20and%20a%20Half%20Planes.pdf#page=47

Third comes Brian O'Flaherty, a FDNY Batallion Chief. The interesting
thing about his statement is that he comments on UA livery, stating
that the dull gray and blue colour schemes don't shine much in the
sun. He too mistook it for possibly a military or cargo jet.

• Brian O’Flaherty
"Just then out of the corner of my eye could see this plane just
remember the dark it was in the shadow it looked low thought what the
heck is the guy doing watched it watched him turn and crash right into
the south tower. I said thought that that second plane that went into
the south tower was military plane like transport or small cargo
military. The reason thought that found out later the sun never shined
off it was dark color plane it ended up found out later it was why it
was United Airlines. They paint their planes dull gray and blue didn’t
see any shine off the plane when it went from dark to sun."  Battalion
Chief Brian O’Flaherty.
https://ia801300.us.archive.org/24/items/GrossmannTwentyTwoAndAHalfPlanes/Grossmann%20-%20Twenty%20Two%20and%20a%20Half%20Planes.pdf#page=47

Next up is a familiar face, amateur videographer Jennifer Spell. I
wasn't aware until now that she too had seen the "second plane" come
up over Brooklyn a little earlier. I'm now confident that this is what
your friend Marc Birnbach saw as well – or he talked to others who saw
it. The blue circle plane came in over that part of Brooklyn around
8:54-8:55 then continued up north. It was probably flying low enough
to attract attention from a lot of eyewitnesses, and they assumed the
same plane went around in a circle, came back and hit the South Tower.
In reality, however, it was another plane that hit the tower. But I
still think this plane made a wide loop just like we've discussed
before.

• Jennifer Spell
"...just about 5 minutes after I got outside and was shooting, the
second plane... circled around and it flew over New Jersey and it came
in and just..."
(From ‘7 Days In September’ - 2002 CameraPlanet Inc. Produced and
directed by Steve Rosenbaum)
https://ia801300.us.archive.org/24/items/GrossmannTwentyTwoAndAHalfPlanes/Grossmann%20-%20Twenty%20Two%20and%20a%20Half%20Planes.pdf#page=45

Lastly, we've got a full transcript of Tom Vallebuona's statement.
There is nothing new in this, but I wanted to include it nonetheless
as he is very clear about the plane making a turn down there. In fact,
he repeats it twice. First he says, "I watched it sort of lumber
around on a turn. It was almost over our heads..." and then he
repeats, "It seemed to make a turn and it was coming over our heads".
Very clearly the plane was making a turn before it lined up for
attack. That's not consistent with the official trajectory.

• Tom Vallebuona
"After I hang up the cell phone, a plane came over our heads. I
watched it sort of lumber around on a turn. It was almost over our
heads... So the plane seemed to come, but it was in front of us,
really close. You couldn’t get the perspective of the size of the
plane because I saw two engines. It seemed to make a turn and it was
coming over our heads, and it seemed to go slow and I’m saying to the
aide, Steve, what’s going on, what’s that plane doing because it still
hasn’t registered. We were there for a couple of minutes. And all of a
sudden, it was like it just took off across the bay. I couldn’t
believe how fast it went. At first, I thought it was just somebody
trying to take a look at Manhattan. And it just went right across
right into the building. It looked like it got sucked into the
building. You couldn’t even see it disintegrate. It just went so fast
and it looked like it just disappeared in the building and I heard it
seconds later."  From the August 2002 Firehouse Magazine
https://ia801300.us.archive.org/24/items/GrossmannTwentyTwoAndAHalfPlanes/Grossmann%20-%20Twenty%20Two%20and%20a%20Half%20Planes.pdf#page=48

As you know, I think the blue dot plane went all the way up to the
northern tip of Manhattan or even the Bronx, then circled around in a
u-turn up there, came back down on the New Jersey side where Lopez and
also the Radio Lady (who was with "Charlie" the anchor in the studio)
saw this plane flying south on the western side of the Hudson River.
Vallebuona then spotted it as it was making it's southern u-turn and
lined up for attack.

The plane vanished right there, and it did not hit the tower. I think
they pulled off a vanishing act as the plane was equipped with
"adaptive camouflage" stealth technology. The reason it was
"lumbering" over Vallebuona's head is that it was waiting for the
attack plane (UA175) to come in from the south. It then went into
stealth mode and flew alongside attack plane but whilst UA175 did a
sudden turn to the left and hit the tower, the stealth drone simply
continued up the East River, and that's where the tracks end.





Tony Arrigo I think means West not just the Hudson River or West Side now.
https://youtu.be/GYs_Z7I8zk8?t=4m50s

MY PARTNER CALLED HIS WIFE JUST STOOD THERE STARING AND THEN WATCHED EVENTUALLY THE SECOND PLANE SAW IT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS CIRCLING COMING SOUTH THEN CAME BACK NORTH STRIKING THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWER NO GOT PRETTY SICK TO THE STOMACH AT THAT POINT

https://static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110485.PDF

My initial thought was this was a terrible accident, but I requested that these people start to respond to the World Trade complex and that I would meet them down there. We were observing the evacuation when we actually saw the second plane come down, flying north to south, actually turn around. And then we lost it momentarily behind the buildings, and then the next time we saw it, it was headed straight for the south tower. 

My initial thought was this was a terrible accident, but I requested that these people start to respond to the World Trade complex and that I would meet them down there. We were observing the evacuation when we actually saw the second plane come down, flying north to south, actually turn around. And then we lost it momentarily behind the buildings, and then the next time we saw it, it was headed straight for the south tower. 

Daya-Dominguez

Gabriella Daya-Dominquez (Husband worked in the South Tower of the World Trade Center on 9/11)

"My husband in the meantime, what was occurring with him at that moment was he was just entering his office. He was about 200 yards from the building. He saw the plane coming very low overhead. He saw it make a U-turn and bank right into his building. At that point he said he knew that this was not an accident, this was an attack and all hell broke lose. The pandemonium in the city was already going on. First with the North Tower. People were just standing there staring. They weren't really running, they were just watching. But by the second tower hitting people started running frantically.
http://web.archive.org/web/20081009204612/http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/Libraries/history/LibrariesHistoryOralHist911Citizens.aspx

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"  I watched it sort of lumber around on a turn "

Firehouse: Did it come that far south?

Vallebuona: I don’t know if it was quite over our heads or coming over Staten Island. So the plane seemed to come, but it was in front of us, really close.

 "It seemed to make a turn and it was coming over our heads, and it seemed to go slow and I’m saying to the aide, Steve, what’s going on, what’s that plane doing because it still hasn’t registered. We were there for a couple of minutes.

And all of a sudden, it was like it just took off across the bay. I couldn’t believe how fast it went. At first, I thought it was just somebody trying to take a look at Manhattan. And it just went right across right into the building"

https://www.firehouse.com/home/article/10568000/battalion-chief-tom-vallebuona

The one you sent tonight was interesting though. That Melville NY guy
who talked about the second plane going south, turning 180 degrees and
then going into the South Tower. That was posted on 9/11 at 1:42 PM.
It's too bad we don't have this guy on audio tape. All we know is that
he's Ken from Melville, Long Island. (That's nearby you, isn't it?)

________________________________
Guys..... it is horrible!

Looking at the World Trade Center burning (North Tower) from my
companies building at about 9:00am, I see another aircraft going
south. It was hard to get an altitude judgement from my view, but then
the plane started turning left 180 degrees. I first though it was
taking ariel shots, and again it's hard to get an altitude judgement
with two hugh buildings in your view. The next thing I see is a plane
headed straight for the (South Tower) corner of the building and then
a big orange explosion.

I site I will very forget.

Then to see both building collapse...... words cannot express that view.

I'm truely in shock!
__________________
Ken (EastCoast)
________________________________
Last edited by EastCoast; 09-11-2001 at 03:04 PM.

https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/1-400-scale-model-aircraft/7917-small-jet-just-crashed-into-world-trade-center.html#post63697

Urban Aerosols and Their Impacts: Lessons Learned from the World Trade Center Tragedy (ACS Symposium Series)  
https://archive.org/details/Urban_Aerosols_and_Their_Impacts


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The 9/11 Blacklist Firstly i fully understand that you have basically showed to the world i have taken your work and full of expletives have said i've deliberately gone out to undermine your work....after praising you and your work within the episode that is ridiculous....your secondly telling the world and me it was a second plane you've always stated it was a second plane and i've f**ked up there.....and thirdly you've taken this isolated part out of the whole 30 damn minute episode and said i've deliberately done tihngs to ridicule your work....and fourthly i notice you've had great pleasure in splashing Discovery Studios f**Ked me over everywhere....any mistakes i may make i would apologise and fuckin correct them....but you havent even remotely given me any opportunity to even do that or even explain if there was a misunderstanding....jesus you've posted here,in the comments you've emailed me and now you throw me to the lions....when knowing your channel has been banned from YouTube in the past already i'm driving traffic towards you again....plus i even took the time to watch and comment on the Dream of Drones vid which would have never made it to YouTube...finally....what have you gained by bypassing me and posting that video...you do realise people are just gonna watch it and think christ!...how has this channel fucked him over oh i know i'll check it out!

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A DREAM WITH CIRCLING DRONE SEPTEMBER 11TH UPDATE 4 EAST RIVER PLANE
FAA Cell phones traces and Witnesses all say the second plane on 9/11 was circling the towers

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FAA, Cell phones traces and Witnesses all say the second plane on 9/11 was circling the towers
Cell phones traces and Witnesses all say the second plane on 9/11 was circling the towers and the fact is on video, so why hide this fact?
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dan.plesse 

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Circling Flight 175 Evidence FAA, Cell Phone pings, video and witnesses
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added  Kai Simonsen "witnessed the plane going up the East River"

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 1:26 PM - 1 day ago #2 

UA175 didn't go near the towers until impact, according to radar.  Can't read phone graphic.  What's the evidence?

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 3:46 PM - 1 day ago #3 

Please I need screenshot of my post above to make sure you are seeing everything I included has not been tampered with. thanks 

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 5:58 PM - Today #4 

You ask us to make screenshots of your screenshots??

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 31 minutes ago #5 

Is that a problem? 

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No, just a fool's errand.

Your opening posts contains no coherent thought, no identifiable argument, just screenshots of screenshots with no narrative that ties them together.

I just watched the first few minutes of your new video. It's a strain on the eyes and ears, and an abomination to the mind. I kind of learned that 8 cell phone calls were placed from a drone that circled southern Manhattan. That's when I tuned out.

I don't think the world will be improved if I make a screenshot of such mental corruption.

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The 8 calls were documented calls from flight 175, so you got that wrong. So you confessed to having seeing and audio problems and you also confessed to having attention deficit disorder. Every video clip  is commonly held public domain audio and visual material you have seen your whole life, so all of sudden you having problems with it? Nope, I think you are lying about the "problems" you are having.

The fool's errand is me responding to you who is clearly not equipped to making judgment calls on any topic. Can you please just go away and bother someone else.  

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The Professor 911Truth Now1 Dan, thanks for the link. Somehow the notification didn't work so I only spotted your reply now. I had not seen this paper before but have downloaded it and will take a look at it. Greening's work is usually pretty good, although his 2006 paper on the energy required to pulverise concrete amounts to one big non-sequitur: his conclusions aren't supported by his own calculations. More specifically, he claims there was enough potential energy stored up in the towers to crush all the concrete. That would take the equivalent of about 60 tons of TNT according to Greening's own numbers. Crushing and pulverising concrete is one of the two big energy sinks in the collapse, the other sink being mechanical bending of steel, snapping of joints, etc. According to Greening, the two sinks consumed about equal amount of energy, i.e. 60 tons of TNT each. So that's 120 tons of TNT consumed by those two sinks. Here is where the trouble starts, because Gregory Urich's meticulous calculations show that the potential energy stored up in the towers was worth about 115 tons of TNT. If you've got two sinks consuming 120 tons, that's about it. There is no energy left over for anything else, not even percussion as the debris falls to the ground. To keep the energy balance, the debris would need to fall smoothly like feathers on the ground. There is no energy available for percussion causing seismic shocks. But if no energy was available for that purpose, what then caused the seismic shocks? The only answer is that there must have been an external energy source providing the extra energy input required to shake the bedrock. What is more, some of the crushing and pulverisation of concrete, as well as some of the bending of steel, snapping of joints, etc. must have been accomplished by an external energy source that reached inside the towers. What I'm saying here is that Greening's own numbers defeats his "official story" conclusion. That's the big non-sequitur. In reality, the upper half of the towers were crushed, pulverised and bent by a nuclear device (nuclear-pumped laser), and the lower half of the towers, by official-story collapse. So the real-world story is a near 50/50 mix between the two. Greening notes that crushing concrete by impact is 10x more energy-efficient than crushing it by explosion. So to crush and pulverise the concrete by explosions, you would need 10x more TNT than with gravity-driven crushing. That's 600 tons rather than 60 tons. If the upper half of the towers was crushed by explosion (nukes with lasers), that's 300 tons of TNT for each tower. The lower half would be half of Greening's figure, or 30 tons for each tower. Bending the steel drops out of the equation for the upper half with nukes, but is still there for the lower half. That's another 30 tons of TNT. The total is now 360 tons for each tower. Available in potential energy we've got 115 tons for each tower, which means a deficit of 245 tons per tower. Suppose the nukes deliver 350 tons each, which jibes with my calculation and also with what Netanyahu says. About 50 tons would stay at the bottom and a fraction of that, say 4-6 tons, would shake the bedrock causing the seismographic readings. The remaining 300 tons would be transported by the laser beam up to the top parts of the towers, and do the work up there. We would then have 300 – 245 = 55 tons left over for other purposes including percussion as the debris falls to the ground. If you look at the seimograms, you'll find there is a 7-8 second big shock, followed by about 12 seconds of far more muted activity. The first part is the nuke detonation shock, the second part is the percussion effect from debris falling on the ground. For Building 7 we have the same pattern with two shocks. Because the detonation shock is much smaller for conventional explosives, the two shocks are separate and do not overlap. The explosion shock is 3-4 seconds, followed by a few seconds' lull, then comes the percussion shock for another 7-8 seconds. Looking at the energy levels of the seismic shocks, the nuke shocks at the towers are over 30x higher than the demolition shock for Building 7. That's not in the conventional ballpark, so we can tell from the seismograms that it was nuclear. The percussion shocks for the towers are about 3x more energetic than percussion for Building 7. In terms of potential energy, the towers were up towards 10x higher than Building 7, but the collapse took longer so was distributed for one, and also the top parts were pulverised mid-air so didn't contribute much to percussion. The two papers are: • F. R. Greening, "The Pulverization of Concrete in WTC 1 During the Collapse Events of 9-11" • Gregory H. Urich, "Analysis of the Mass and Potential Energy of World Trade Center Tower 1"