Pancake theory and NIST

Pancake theory has nothing to do with WTC 1 , WTC 2 collapse initiation as far 
as I know, so NIST can say....

"our findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse (initiation)"

Bush talks about EXPLOSIVES in building

"He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."

Brent Blanchard
"it was a military explosive demolition than to building implosion"


Senator Patrick Leahy 9/11 story - The joggers 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRtdRBjXogE

9/11 Oral History Planes for Show, Missile Attack Caused Collapse initiation
 Contact NIST, AIA.
 
   GEORGE KOZLOWSKI

HE SAID WE BETTER GET OUR ASSES OUT OF HERE THIS DOESN'T LOOK GOOD AT ALL
AS WE WERE WALKING WE
HEARD WE THOUGHT IT WAS ANOTHER PLANE COMING IT
WAS LIKE BIG SHHHHH THOUSAND TIMES LOUDER THAN
THAT IT SOUNDED LIKE MISSILE COMING AND WE JUST
STARTED BOOKING WE TOOK OFF LIKE BATS OUT OF HELL
WE MADE IT AROUND THE CORNER AND THATS WHEN
THE SHIT HIT THE FAN
RIGHT THen AND THere
THAT LOUD AND THEN BA BOOM JUST IT WAS LIKE AN
EARTHQUAKE OR WHATEVER GIANT GIANT EXPLOSION
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110308.PDF

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  Atahan Ganduu it encourages speculation and is that the objective of 911 truth?

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  Daniel M. Plesse No 9/11 Truth is about Reasonable doubt of the official story. What you do Atahan Ganduu is the opposite. You never bothered to try. You only repeat Judy Wood's mantras like a brain washed fool.. Try looking around for a change.

  
  

Daniel M. Plesse Judy Wood speculates on a few cherry picked stories and not does not try to solve anything. Reasonable doubt from 9/11 Fight Fighters is better anything Judy Wood or the mindless cult members have. Reasonable doubt is the first step. I emailed AIA today and that's far more then you'll ever do. Judy Wood is totally missing right now, right? No advances from her will ever come. No tests on anything. Most likely just an actor. Judy Wood is not interested in solving. She actually raises doubt against the 9/11 Truth Movement.

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The Port Authority never talks about the shaking, rumbling or any strange sounds (above) but I could be wrong. So please take a look at NYFD verses Port Authority comments and check out what is missing from each and find out what issues have been targeted for cover up.
What really happened is far different then Truther verses anti-truther could possibly imagine. The towers were moving way too much and the poor people were just shaken out the towers. They didn't see that coming. If you guys would just read for a second the issues and just focus on this issue for one moment in time. 

Lauren Smith Story #1 and #2 Check it out! 
""Trapped in an elevator in the south tower, she had fallen into a shaft when the building shook. " 
http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-new-low-hoax.html  

No way can someone find themselves down a shaft because the building was shaking at the bottom of the towers. 

People were knocked to the floor blocks away at around 8:46 am. The first plane was cover story for something big. 

"The impact jolted him from his desk chair and threw him into the floor" 
from a distance of Church Street & Murray Street 
http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/02/review-of-battle-for-ground-zero-plane.html

Quite Uncontroversially as Noam Chomsky would like to say ....

The dropping of key words and key definitions is something Noam
Chomsky would enjoy, so lets find out... I'll email him.

Anyway....

Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC Towers Investigationhttp://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm

 (my review) also Notice if NIST Flooring details never makes into the final summary"

6. What caused the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?

1. The impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns.

Reply. NIST Fails to identify which support columns

  A: Core columns or
  b: Perimeter

2. insulation coating on the steel floor trusses and steel columns
Reply. NIST Fails to identify which steel columns

  a: Core columns or 
  b: Perimeter

3.  Floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns.

  Reply: I think they are avoiding the core columns.

4.  failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2,
      initiating the collapse of each of the towers.

Reply: failure of the south face? Sounds like #3 but they had to offer more.

NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon.

That's it. Nothing about Core Columns or the super H beam super strong mechanical floors. Bowing caused perimeter columns to fail
and caused a larger south or North face to fail and the rest is history.

Basically they only cover a few seconds of bowing and the tape ends. 

#9 Sounds like Pancake Theory

9. Weren't the puffs of smoke that were seen, as the collapse of each WTC tower starts, evidence of controlled demolition explosions?

No. As stated in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, the falling mass of the building compressed the air ahead of it—much like the action of a piston—forcing smoke and debris out the windows as the stories below failed sequentially.

 Why didn’t NIST consider a “controlled demolition” hypothesis with matching computer modeling and explanation like it did for the “pancake theory” hypothesis?

NIST’s findings also do not support the “controlled demolition” theory since there is conclusive evidence that:

• the collapse was initiated in the impact and fire floors of the WTC towers and nowhere else, and;
• the time it took for the collapse to initiate (56 minutes for WTC 2 and 102 minutes for WTC 1) was dictated by (1) the extent of damage caused by the aircraft impact, and (2) the time it took for the fires to reach critical locations and weaken the structure to the point that the towers could not resist the tremendous energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building at and above the fire and impact floors.
  
  

if it happened as they say it would have stopped ad the mechanical floors, but in their theory they forget the inner column core with 47 columns where was all the elevator shaft a real massive structure of his own, well described in the blueprints,

a few seconds ago

The buildings are generally lighter in structure and weight in the upper floors. Twin Tower blueprints show that the structure (and weight) of the first bottom third was massive (5/8 of the mass above ground street) and there was an interrupted pattern dedicated to the mechanical floors (where reside the utility of the building) with heavy crossbeam, the second third was gradually lighter (approximately 2/8 of the mass) interrupted as well by another set of mechanical floors with reinforced structure similar of the lower mechanical floors, and the upper 1/3 portion of the building was the lightest of all with a mass of nearly 1/8 of the mass above ground street and the very top portion had a cage like reinforced by diagonally posed beam, In the top third of the TT care was used in save weight using lighter material even in the concrete flooring by the use of lapilli concrete mixture. So somebody please can tell me how is it possible that a such lighter structure falling can destroy a similar building up to the street level?

any body has a doubt tell to look for the twin tower blueprints, is a lot of work and study to do just there.

just type "twin towers blueprint" in internet and you will have plenty of work and study, any how this building feature of increasing lightness is common in any high rise structure of any type even in bridge, ship, radio mast, water tower, anything. you could have dropped a fully loaded 1/2 million ton oil tanker from 20 meter on the lower 2/3 of the TT and it will have just seat there, this pancake story is just crap

Did you understand the crush pennies concept ?

no

So you have not taken coins to the rails and experimented as a kid?

I assumed everyone has done this?

yes but how could that appened in the TT

Review this videos
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=crushing+pennies+using+a+train+

crushing pennies using a train - YouTube

www.youtube.com

It didn't happen and that was the point.

You got the point confused .

pretty much

Now they are showing molten steel in museums, did you see that?

which one

Traveling 9/11 museum melted steel from the Twin Towers
https://youtu.be/O1GshWHVzNc

9-11 Molten Object Traveling 9/11 museum Arson Evidence

youtu.be

a moment

I am sure they use exotic explosive and nano thermite as well, but to dust so much material especially steel you would have tofill a lot of it every where, on regard the concrete floor had steel bar cage into so when explosive are used the concrete could be dusted but the rebar will appear as a leftover, so I can say something more that “we do not have even idea what can be” has been used.

Yes I agree - were is the steel bar cage for each floor. Is that what you are saying?

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